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- From: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
- Subject: Re: Pre-Sex Contract
- X-To: KAREN PELTON SCARR
- Organization: The Zoo of Ids
- Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 22:08:00 GMT
- Message-ID: <1993Jan4.012055.17666@zooid.guild.org>
- Sender: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
- Lines: 48
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- kpscarr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Karen Pelton Scarr) writes...
- >In article <BzKDCM.HAB@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman
- >Rubin) writes:
-
- >As long as women are the ones who bear children, and the ones who bear primary-
- >often *sole*--responsibility for raising them, the choice to have or have not
- >is theirs. And as long as men father children, and are financially better off
- >than women, they should contribute money for the child's upbringing (at the
- >very least). Men should not be able to escape their responsibility for
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- >"externalities" like children simply by claiming that the mother was a willing
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- >participant in the sexual act, and that she knew he didn't want children.
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-
- And why not? Having sex is NOT consent to BEARING a child, for women, though
- this is how it used to be. But for men, having sex is *still* treated as
- consent to raise a child.
-
- This is *not* fair at all.
-
-
- >Accidents happen--and children are not as easily cleaned up (i.e., aborted) as
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- >car wrecks.
- ^^^^^^^^^^^
-
- Oh, yes they are. In fact, it takes about an hour. Car wrecks usually take
- a *little* longer...
-
-
- >Under your vision, what's next? Court-ordered abortions? Court-ordered
- >pregnancies? Can't you see that giving the father an equal say is not such an
- >easy imposition of equity--or equality?
-
- Why isn't it? if I choose not to be a father, why do I have to be forced by
- the mother's decision to have it? Indeed, would you consider it fair if I
- tried to force YOU to do something against your wishes?
-
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