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- From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
- Subject: Re: Private antidiscrimination policies in CO (was Re: Attention...)
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- Organization: (getting there)
- References: <1992Dec31.212026.1079@macc.wisc.edu> <1i02j7INNfoi@hp-col.col.hp.com> <C05JDs.GMD@queernet.org>
- Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 13:49:33 GMT
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- anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
- >>> You *have* heard of enmity arising from homophobia, yes?
- smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
- >>Well, I've never personally seen it in action, but I'll take
- >>your word for it.
- rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
- >Then you've never heard a fag joke, I take it? Or perhaps you've
- >never worked with anyone whose company-blessed marriage, complete
- >with prerequisite non-working wifey, helped grease his way up the
- >sales/marketing ladder?
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- I'm willing to be that the hitch is "homophobia." That is, Walter
- will have been aware, on some level, that people say unpleasant
- things about glb* folk, and might not want their kids to grow up
- thinking that there are "real" families, worthy of all the
- "values" talk, where the parents are gay. He knows that the armed
- forces are still prepared to kick glb* folk out. But he isn't
- really sure that this should be called "homophobia."
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- Maybe he'd argue that it's not fear to dislike people. I suppose we
- could answer that by probing what, in the psyche, underlies the
- dislike. I'm not specifically attributing this kind of argument to
- Walter, but I've seen a lot of people raise this issue. They say it
- has nothing to do with fear, and therefore it isn't a phobia. (I've
- seen glb* folk make this point.)
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- I don't really care what label you put on anti-glb* bigotry; I find
- homophobia to be adequate shorthand but I'd be willing to change my
- vocabulary if I had some combination of a good reason to do so and a
- better word offered. In the meantime, I know at least two people
- that I met through motss who went through lawsuits (successful!)
- based on denial of security clearance for being gay. I've read news
- reports of a judge who gave a minimum sentence to a murderer because
- the victims were "just faggots." I have friends who have not been
- forbidden to visit dying lovers by the lovers' families (when, if
- they'd been straight, they'd have been married and therefore "next
- of kin"). I've seen innocent picture books for children described
- in terms suitable for pornography by people pretending to give an
- objective story. I've heard lies (like "special rights") repeated
- by people who should know better. I've read a story about an angry
- letter to a newspaper editor from someone with the same name as the
- writer of an article about being gay, complaining that he'd received
- the hate mail and phone calls intended for the gay writer.
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- Now, I don't care whether you call this "homophobia" or something
- else. But I do care that it be recognized as part and parcel of
- anti-glb* bigotry, and understood as such.
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- Mara Chibnik
- mara@panix.com Life is too important to be taken seriously.
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