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- From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith)
- Newsgroups: soc.motss
- Subject: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado
- Date: 30 Dec 1992 19:20:55 GMT
- Organization: Colorado Springs IT Center
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- mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
- > So Colorado can take away rights guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution,
- > but no one is supposed to be concerned? No one from outside the
- > state is supposed to show any displeasure? Get real...
-
- Get real yourself and look at this from a practical standpoint, instead
- of an emotional, reactionary one. If #2 takes away rights
- guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution, it will be ruled unconstitutional
- and be overturned. People here were upset when it passed, and I think
- if all the boycott hype hadn't come along, more energy would have
- been spent on the overturn instead of on the boycott. With any
- luck, the whole thing will be ruled uncomstitutional, and the
- boycott will have been an unnessesary (and harmful, since it
- polarizes people) misuse of energy.
-
- > If they are not bigoted then they are ignorant, because they voted
- > _FOR_ a measure without understanding it. There were several
- > amendments and referenda on the Georgia ballot on which I did not
- > cast a vote because I knew nothing of them.
-
- Ignorant (ill-informed?) I'll buy. People only partly understood
- what it really meant, and the wording was cleaver enough to take
- advantage of that. I tried to get at least *somewhat* of an
- understanding of each of the amendments, so I could make a
- partially-intelligent vote on them, rather than none at all.
-
- > But, Walter, rights _WERE_ taken away.
-
- Yes, they were.
-
- >You can rationalize all you
- > want about what the voters _thought_ they were doing,
-
- If you want to blow off understanding why an event happened, so
- that something can be done about it, as *rationalizing*, fine...
- but that's not very productive.
-
- > I pay my taxes, I have my
- > rights -- and now, you have more rights than I do. Something about
- > the words "All men are created equal" and the fourteenth amendment to
- > our federal constitution seem to ring false for me in Colorado.
-
- Well, unless you live here, it hasn't taken away your rights, but
- I get your point. It does, in my mind, violate th 14th.
- >
- > You're really enamoured of the word "force" aren't you?
-
- I'm very un-enamoured with the concept of force, which is what a
- boycott tries to do. It's just the thing that can make you lose,
- when you think you've won.
-
- > state of Colorado has _forced_ any homosexual to either remain in the
- > closet or face the wrath of employers, housing agents, etc., without
- > any legal recourse available. If I can't make the citizens of the
- > state understand that I will not accept second-class status because
- > they view my basic civil rights as "special", then I will get angry
- > and not hesitate to show my anger.
-
- That's fine, but think about your chosen veichle for showing it, and
- make sure it's a productive one, based on getting the bast results and
- not on malice. As for people thinking that your "basic civil rights"
- are viewed as "special rights", that is one *tired* piece of rhetoric.
- #2 targeted 2 SEPERATE 'rights'; "special" rights like quotas, and
- in a more veiled way, the "basic civil rights" (I like the term
- 'human rights' better) that everyone should be entitled to. People
- do NOT want to see "special" rights for people, and they don't want
- to see (most people, anyways) anyone denied basic human rights. The
- more you and other flamers rant and rave that the people of
- Colorado want to take away your basic human rights, the more polarized
- an already bad situation becomes. And the more moderate people
- will get the impression that you (generic you) are twisting the
- issues.
-
- Walter
-
-