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- From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
- Subject: Re: Dworkin (was Re: Liberty)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec30.002532.28638@macc.wisc.edu>
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- Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
- References: <1992Dec26.171035.12605@news.acns.nwu.edu> <1hoi7rINN2br@shelley.u.washington.edu> <1992Dec29.141645.11478@tc.cornell.edu> <1hqcccINN8e8@mizar.usc.edu>
- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 00:25:32 GMT
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- In article <1hqcccINN8e8@mizar.usc.edu>
- adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (Arne Adolphson) writes:
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- >In article <1992Dec29.141645.11478@tc.cornell.edu>
- >shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
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- >>I think that what we're really seeing is that while misogyny
- >>is a problem that should be addressed in due time but isn't
- >>something to get overly exercised about, man-hating is a
- >>heinous crime of major proportions that must be decried
- >>loudly and publicly whenever we see even a hint of it.
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- >Above and beyond what any individual man might think about
- >women, misogyny is systemic. Man-hating is not.
-
- I think the first claim is very solid. I don't dispute the
- second claim, but I'm less persuaded of its relevance.
-
- >In any case, if any man were to write about women -- all
- >women, regardless of their political affiliations,
- >ethnicities, or sexualities -- using rhetoric even slightly
- >like that employed by Andrea Dworkin in her screeds against
- >men, he would be dismissed by *everyone* as a crank or
- >worse.
-
- Your contention is somewhat shakey, I think. Very
- considerable numbers of woman-hating remarks do get
- published, and it seems to me the writers are quite often
- *not* roundly denounced as idiots and fools by the general
- population. While this too is not very demonstrable, there
- clearly is a much smaller tendency to hold over-zealous
- woman-haters accountable (their numbers are massive) than to
- hold over-zealous man-haters (their numbers are much
- smaller) accountable.
-
- <> If you see someone standing on top of a mountain, it isn't
- <> because they fell up there.
- --
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