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- From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
- Subject: Re: Dworkin (was Re: Liberty)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec30.002132.28426@macc.wisc.edu>
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- Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
- References: <1992Dec23.152237.1124@tc.cornell.edu> <1992Dec26.171035.12605@news.acns.nwu.edu> <1hoi7rINN2br@shelley.u.washington.edu> <1992Dec29.141645.11478@tc.cornell.edu>
- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 00:21:32 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec29.141645.11478@tc.cornell.edu>
- shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
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- >In article <1hoi7rINN2br@shelley.u.washington.edu>
- >rhiann@carson.u.washington.edu (Sandy --not Sandra) writes:
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- >>Without Dworkin, is it possible that women like Daly and
- >>Griffin would be too 'radical' to be seriously listened to?
-
- >Sorry, but in my experience among the nonfeminists, both
- >*are* considered too radical to be taken seriously.
-
- I'm not too won over by that argument, though I think it
- depends somewhat which nonfeminists you intended. Be that
- as it may, your other point is what I see as *really*
- strong:
-
- >I think that what we're really seeing is that while misogyny
- >is a problem that should be addressed in due time but isn't
- >something to get overly exercised about, man-hating is a
- >heinous crime of major proportions that must be decried
- >loudly and publicly whenever we see even a hint of it.
-
- The in-control group (men) discounts woman-hating while
- responding with infantile alarm to man-hating, even when the
- incidence of the former is several *orders of magnitude*
- greater than the incidence of the latter.
-
- I see it as quite analogous to the righteous bleats of
- reverse discrimination among whites when considering even
- small increases in opportunity for people of color.
-
- Both reactions are strong indicators of male privilege
- in the first case and of white privilege in the second.
-
- <> Among many prominent black figures, gays are completely
- <> castigated and seen as a testament to the pernicious ways of
- <> white racism, the ultimate embodiment of the emasculated
- <> black man. We are no longer men, no longer black because of
- <> our homosexuality.
- <> To me, it's more painful because we should know better. We
- <> can't pretend innocence and ignorance in the way that people
- <> who've been privileged and who never had that kind of
- <> oppression inflicted upon them can.
- <> We know the ways in which culture, rhetoric and politics
- <> serve oppression, and yet we continue to impose those very
- <> narrow notions of identity in such a way that we only mimic
- <> what the majority culture has done to us. It's shameful.
- <> -- Marlon Riggs
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