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- From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
- Subject: Re: Dworkin (was Re: Liberty)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec26.171035.12605@news.acns.nwu.edu>
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- References: <1992Dec23.055209.27606@panix.com> <1992Dec23.123033.4883@macc.wisc.edu> <1992Dec23.152237.1124@tc.cornell.edu>
- Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 17:10:35 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec23.152237.1124@tc.cornell.edu>
- shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec23.123033.4883@macc.wisc.edu>
- anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
- >>I took Melinda to be saying, in
- >>effect, that despite that, there is an image that could
- >>be revealing to anyone who will consider it, embedded in
- >>Dworkin's extreme rhetoric.
- >
- >More or less. As I wrote earlier, just because she's wrong
- >about an awful lot doesn't mean that she's wrong about
- >everything. She's starting from what I consider to be a
- >reasonable assumption (the problematic nature of
- >consensuality in unequal relationships) and drawing some
- >outrageous conclusions. That doesn't invalidate her
- >starting point.
- >
- >We've discussed, in an earlier thread, that it's hard to
- >"get it" until you've had some direct experience with
- >oppression yourself. I believe that you can sometimes fix
- >automotive electrical problems by driving really fast
- >across a bump. I believe that you can sometimes fix
- >hardware problems by power-cycling. Sometimes tripping
- >over a book on the library floor can help put a problem in
- >a new perspective. And if Andrea Dworkin can jolt some men
- >into considering *why* they get so angry with her, then she
- >will at least have accomplished something. Mind you, the
- >number of men I've seen actually think about their anger
- >with her and why she writes what she writes still numbers
- >in the small single digits. It's all too easy to dismiss
- >her as a man-hater; I'd like to see more people (men
- >especially) consider the "why" of it all.
-
- I would suggest that most of Andrea Dworkin's useful insights may have
- been expressed by other writers. (I say this without having read
- her recent books.)
-
- For example, Mary Daly's "Gyn/Ecology" covers much the same ground
- as "Woman-Hating", IMHO in a bit more literate fashion.
-
- I would be inclined to recommend a mix of reading Robin Morgan, Susan
- Griffin and Mary Daly, in preference to Andrea Dworkin.
-
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