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- From: psp@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (P.S. Powledge)
- Subject: Re: Dworkin (was Re: Liberty)
- Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Lincroft, NJ
- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:35:28 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Dec23.173528.25908@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>
- References: <18223@autodesk.COM> <1992Dec23.055209.27606@panix.com> <1992Dec23.123033.4883@macc.wisc.edu>
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- In article <1992Dec23.123033.4883@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
- >
- >While I understand [Arne's] economy in not being willing to lend
- >credence to someone as extreme as Dworkin, I feel *nevertheless*
- >there is *a* reality to be seen and appreciated in some fashion in the
- >ideas reported here as Dworkin's.
- >
-
- Before I get into this, the Truth in Posting Law requires me to make the
- same dangerous disclosure Jess did: I've hardly read Dworkin at all, and
- what I did was a *very* long time ago (maybe an essay in _Against SM_?).
- What I know of her is what I've gotten from reading several book reviews
- of her fiction and non-fiction work, and a profile of her that appeared
- in the _The New York Times Magazine_ a few years back. Admittedly, relying
- on secondary sources -- especially about someone as controversial as she
- -- isn't a terribly good idea.
-
- Anyways: I can't remember ever agreeing with any of Dworkin's arguments.
- I oppose antipornography laws; I don't think SM women are collaborators
- in sexual violence; I don't agree with her famous remarks on intercourse.
- Still, am very uncomfortable with some of the criticism she gets, here and
- elsewhere.
-
- Part of it is that Dworkin's often used to discredit all feminists as a
- whole, as if all feminists have identical analyses. The truth is, there's
- as much (if not more) debate among feminists as there is among gay,
- lesbian, and bisexual people. It's a trick from the Clayton Cramer School
- of Forensics, and I don't appreciate it one bit.
-
- The other, more important, part for me is that people criticize her by
- discrediting not only her ending points in her arguments, but her starting
- points, too. As I said above, I strongly disagree with her conclusions.
- But I don't think the question she's trying to answer -- what does
- consensuality mean within the context of a massive power difference between
- the individuals involved? -- is the least bit looney.
-
- PS: I hate to post and run, but I won't be back online until next week.
- If you have a reply that you want me to see, please email it to me.
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