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- From: carlson@ab24.larc.nasa.gov (Ann Carlson)
- Newsgroups: soc.motss
- Subject: Re: Congratulating (het) parents on their new baby
- Date: 22 Dec 1992 16:36:20 GMT
- Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA USA
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- In article <Bzo2DH.DFx@cs.columbia.edu>, ji@cs.columbia.edu (John Ioannidis) writes:
- |> Every once in a while I'll read on the local bboards in the places I
- |> have accounts at, that Mr&Mrs so-and-so had a brand new baby, vital
- |> statistics of the baby follow, and the message ends with how the
- |> father is proud and the mother is resting at the hospital. The message
- |> is invariably congratulatory.
- |>
- |> So here are my questions:
- |>
-
- I question whether these are serious questions. They do seem to be
- intentionaly clueless, but to give you the benefit of the doubt:
-
- |> 1. Is it a het thing, and I just don't understand?
-
- Not a het thing, no. More of a thing to do with people who are interested
- in children, future generations, families, etc. Also, a thing to do with
- people who are interested in their friends and co-workers lives and who
- try to care about what their friends care about. Nobody's required to be
- interested in children, but many people are; gay, bi, straight and whatever
- other categories you want to consider.
-
- >
- |> 2. Is there something intrinsic to be proud of on the part of the
- |> father? The only thing he has proven so far is that he has a working
- |> reproductive system.
-
- I would guess that both father and mother are proud of taking the first
- step in the process of raising this child, assuming that they believe that
- this is a good thing and a worthwhile activity.
-
- |> 3. WRT #2 above, is the father being congratulated on his bedroom
- |> prowess, and the mother on being fertile? (Of course, it could be
- |> congratulating the father for putting up with his wife, and the mother
- |> for actually going through the trouble of having a baby, but I somehow
- |> doubt that this is the case).
-
- Assuming the child was wanted, perhaps they are being congratulated on
- being able to realize their desire - since so many would like to have
- children and cannot. Perhaps they are being congratulated on being
- willing to take on the responsibility of raising this child (see above).
- Perhaps they are simply being congratulated because this event has made
- them happy, and their friends like to see they happy. At least, one
- would hope that if the child was not wanted, the friends and family would
- refrain from joyous birth announcements and congratulations.
-
- |> 4. Why do we never see such messages by same-sex couples? Or single
- |> parents? Or adoptive parents?
-
- Why do *you* never see such messages? I do. my best friend who adopted
- 3 years ago sent out joyous adoption notices with all the usual statistics
- about the child's characteristics - and we who love her sent her all sorts
- of congratulations. I've seen birth and adoption announcements
- for same-sex couples, single parents, people who win custody in divorce
- settlements, foster parents who get a new child for awhile, even big-
- brothers and big-sisters who get new assignments of children to work with
- sometimes send out similar announcements to people who they think might
- be interested.
-
- |> 5. Am I the only one with the (suppresed) urge to post followups along
- |> the lines of "who cares?" or "only 10 pounds? You can hardly make a
- |> pot roast out of that!"
-
- If you're not interested or don't know the people, then maybe the
- announcement was a bit too generally distributed. I would consider
- it impolite to expect complete strangers to care one way or another,
- but it's easy enough for me to understand a bit of overenthusiasm
- when the birth of a child is a very *big deal* to a lot of people.
- Can't you just ignore it? And, if these are people you know well or
- work closely with, then why *aren't* you concerned with the things
- that they find very important?
-
- |> 6. Should I really be working on finishing my thesis and not bothering
- |> soc.motss with my morning (very late night, actually) bitchiness?
- |>
- I'll leave that one for you to answer.
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