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- From: levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine)
- Subject: Re: Damned Souls (was Re: Version Five)
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- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:30:10 GMT
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- gazit@duke.cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit) writes:
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- >The following article was rejected from soc.feminism.
-
- >In article <1hkqjdINNj7d@agate.berkeley.edu>
- >levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine) writes:
-
- >>Let me add, present a believable case (*with details*) and I'll believe it.
-
- >I don't want to play the game of "show me all your life for a
- >discussion on the net,"
-
- What's wrong with asking for specifics? I certainly *won't* take a
- position for or against "affirmative action," (or most other policies)
- *in general*.
-
- >but I can show a case, that you can check in
- >your library, to show how affirmative action really works, especially
- >when it is implemented by liberals.
-
- >Take for example the case of Kaiser Aluminum & Chemical Corp. in La.
- >Under government pressure the company used different criteria for
- >promotions of blacks and whites. Whites had to have more years
- >on the job before they could have a promotion.
-
- >So Brian F. Weber, the son of a grocer who started to work in 1968
- >saw it as a discrimination and sued. His point was that a quota which
- >is based on race and not on class or education is just a discrimination.
- >All the courts till the Supreme Court agreed. In the Supreme
- >Court one of the justices (Potter Stewart) pointed out that court
- >should decide if the law lets an employer "discriminate against
- >some white people."
-
- >The very liberal Supreme Court of 1979 decided 7-2 that the answer is
- >yes, and all the liberals celebrated one more victory in the fight
- >against racism - the white son of a grocer lost!
-
- >Now try to answer just one question:
-
- >Did, by your criteria, Brian F. Weber was discriminated against?
-
- >Please try to answer yes or no.
-
- Maybe. :-)
-
- >Hillel gazit@cs.duke.edu
-
- From the evidence you give, Weber sounds like he has a good case.
-
- However, I've heard of other cases where the evidence for affirmative
- action is a lot more reasonable.
-
- Lenore Levine
-