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- From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
- Subject: Re: Male Choice Revisited
- Message-ID: <bob1.725123595@cos>
- Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
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- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:13:15 GMT
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- In <BzoIGB.5yJ@cs.psu.edu> beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
-
- ><bob1.725051279@cos> bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) writes:
- >><BzMI8D.L4H@cs.psu.edu> beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
- >>><bob1.724607266@cos> bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) writes:
-
- >>>>Don't get me wrong, I don't care whether two people get churched or
- >>>>not, but there needs to be a commitment, a meeting of minds and
- >>>>spirit, or what is different about it than two animals rutting in
- >>>>a field?
- >>
- >>>To contrast your image of animals rutting: the person you're supporting
- >>>suggested cunnilingus as a natural way to preserve a man's reproductive
- >>>rights -- is that the kind of "meeting of minds" you're looking for?
- >>
- >>Where in hell did you find this in my post? Shit, another Nyikos who
- >>reads words in the white space!
-
- >It's a suggestion Michal made a while back. You were making your
- >statements against liberal behavior in the context of her claim
- >that men who don't know they are fathers are guilty of heinous sin,
- >and shouldn't have their parental rights protected.
-
- >Your romantic/conservative beliefs should be independent of what
- >the *law* says about when/if men have parental rights. Your values
- >aren't at issue.
-
- Well, I guess I did not realize that by joining in a thread I had to
- join one team or the other. Sorry, I'm used to thinking for myself
- and being rather independent. As to my 'conservative' attitudes,
- I suppose they might be, but I hope I've made it clear that I have
- no desire to force them on others. By persuasion or by legislation.
-
- Now, I guess I didn't read that into Michal's post regarding the
- case (as you outlinedin a previous post) where the father is not
- aware that he is a father. I suppose this comes under the legal
- argument that ignorance is no defense, but I would hope that the
- courts would use their alleged intelligence. But then I've always
- been saddened that most of the time it is the letter of the law,
- and not the spirit, that is followed.
-
- Of course, the worst aspect of all of this is the massive distrust
- of each other that I see in this group and others. As stated in
- another post somewhere else, all this pointing of fingers and
- trying to fix blame for why things are the way they are is a
- simple waste of time (maybe you kids have the time to waste, I don't.
- Having recently achieved middle-age at 62, I figure I've only
- another 62 to go). So when we fix the blame, what will we do? Send
- the guilty to jail? Fine them? Take them out a dawn and shot them?
-
- Why not expend all this energy and bandwidth on solutions? And not
- on solutions that swing like a pendlum, i.e., for years women were
- kept down so now lets do it to the men. Like it or not, its a
- pretty darn small planet and we all have to live here. What we
- needto figure out is how to do it fairly.
-
- >Don
- >--
- >beaver@cs.psu.edu Opinions from the PC-challenged
-
- bob
-
- No man is an island, but each is a piece of the main...
- T.S.Eliot
-