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- From: chpetk@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Toby Kelsey)
- Newsgroups: soc.men
- Subject: Re: Gender differences - Sophie Germain
- Summary: Most sex career differences derive from parenthood options.
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.064714.13381@gdr.bath.ac.uk>
- Date: 22 Dec 92 06:47:14 GMT
- References: <michael.724427507@glia> <1992Dec20.225509.19966@netcom.com> <michael.724961924@glia>
- Organization: School of Chemistry, University of Bath, UK
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- >>In article <michael.724427507@glia>
- michael@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Michael) writes:
- >>>In the long run it won't matter. But in the short run, there is still
- >>>pressure in our culture against women becoming a part of scientific
- >>>fields. This cultural pressure is a leftover from the days when women
- >>>didn't enjoy the same rights men did. Its slowly dissappearing, but it
- >>>hasn't gone yet.
-
- It is risky to assume that underrepresentation means discrimination
- against those in that area. For example if proportionately
- fewer homeless men are white this doesn't mean that the Black
- Homeless Men's Old Boy Network is preventing white men from
- being thrown onto the street.
-
- So why do fewer women choose science, or other demanding careers?
- Undoubtedly there are biases in the market (in both directions).
- However if you ask teenagers what they are going to do,
- most women say they want to get married, have children and
- be kept (after some period of independent earning), in
- contrast to men who know they will have to work. The bias
- at this stage far outweighs later biases IMHO (in the UK anyway).
- It would be possible to quantify their relative magnitude.
- To claim that this bias is a cultural assumption that can be
- 'educated away' is, I believe, naive.
-
- I know couples where the woman has decided it is time
- 'they' had children, and furthermore she needn't go back to
- work afterwards. Many women do not need to do this, but the
- (socially and legally sanctioned) option is available, if
- her partner gets awkward.
-
- In contrast when a man wants a family he has to impress his
- partner with the size of his bank balance and his future
- career prospects, so she will feel his support is secure
- enough to start a family.
-
- In the same way that men who have other options available
- can choose not to be homeless, so fewer women work in
- demanding fields simply because they have more options.
-
- If men were allowed to decide when and if they became
- fathers, then parenthood would have to be based on mutual
- consent. The status of fatherhood would rise to that of
- motherhood (respect would follow choice), hopefully
- leading to equal legal status. Women would lose the
- security of total control on procreation and childraising;
- the financial status of men and women would become equally
- important; and career differences would largely disappear.
-
- I believe that this would only come about with
- (a) Choice for men, or
- (b) an *effective* male Pill.
-
- Soc.men often has separate discussions about (the lack of)
- choice for men, and about sex ratios in employment, but
- few seem to make the connection.
-
- Toby
-