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- From: uunet!infmx!hartman@ncar.ucar.EDU (Robert Hartman)
- Subject: Re: men crossing the street at night to avoid frightening women
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- Date: 2 Jan 93 05:29:52 GMT
- References: <1ho1c9INN1f7@agate.berkeley.edu> <9212292355.AA02165@york.cs.ucla.edu>
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- In article <9212292355.AA02165@york.cs.ucla.edu> gds@ficus.cs.ucla.EDU (Greg Skinner) writes:
- >In article <1ho1c9INN1f7@agate.berkeley.edu> infmx!hartman writes:
- >>As a man, I must say that I don't have any problem with keeping a wide
- >>berth when I see a woman walking alone at night. If I'm by myself, and
- >>I'm not in a huge hurry, it's just not that big a deal to adjust my
- >>pace to maintain a constant, respectable distance.
- >
- >For argument's sake, let's say all non-threatening men decided to
- >maintain a respectable distance from women late at night, but it is
- >not possible to distinguish a non-threatening man from a man who
- >intends to do harm to women.
-
- Who's arguing? I'm just indicating what I do when I'm in the situation.
-
- > ... Would you say that women still have
- >something to fear, even though they would no longer be frightened by
- >non-threatening men? Would you say that steps ought to be taken to
- >empower women to defend themsleves against these men? In other words,
- >does avoiding frightening women really help them protect themselves?
-
- Well, insofar as it is customary for men to avoid frightening each
- other when out and about at night--unless they're looking for
- trouble--this helps other men spot the loonies and take evasive or
- defensive action in plenty of time. So while it doesn't completely
- eliminate the risk, I think it helps.
-
- >If women are given (and take) the means to protect themselves, what
- >purpose does the non-threatening men keeping a respectable distance
- >serve?
-
- In that case it would keep them from getting mace in the face by
- mistake.
-
- Also, when men keep a respectable distance, they become potential
- witnesses, rather than potential perpetrators. And isn't that a nicer
- way to be regarded?
-
- Finally, since the presence of a witness can itself be a deterrent,
- that alone increases the safety of all concerned.
-
- -r
-
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