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- From: mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi)
- Subject: Re: Frosh (was Re: Sexist language (was...
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- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:40:55 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec21.043452.6843@cdf.toronto.edu> g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu (Rosemary Waigh) writes:
- >In article <BzL601.LLr@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi) writes:
- >>In article <1992Dec20.233457.25282@cdf.toronto.edu> g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu (Rosemary Waigh) writes:
- >>>Because the meaning of animals is not unambiguous; to some people it means
- >>>only non-human animals. This leads to all sorts of tiresome qualifications
- >>>when trying to write, say, animal rights literature.
- >>>
- >>Aha! The "unambiguous" writer caught red-handed!
- >Um, I don't think I have ever claimed that natural language was unambiguous;
- >I think you have me confused with someone else.
- >
-
- But you *did* claim that you try to write unambiguously whenever possible.
- Don't deny that. And here I have very clearly shown that you don't
- practise what you preach.
-
- >>There *is* a phrase
- >>which is unambiguous in this context - "living beings". So, from now
- >>on, we should use "living beings" when we mean "animals".
- >No, living beings includes plants, bacteria, etc.
- >>
- >>>However, in the case of human beings, we are fortunate to have many
- >>>unambiguous terms to include people of both genders, making the sexist use
- >>>of "man" especially pointless and undesirable.
- >>
- >>So you *do* agree with me. The *use* of man is sexist, not the word
- >>itself. AND, the people who *use*/interpret it incorrectly are sexist.
- >
- >That's what this whole thread has been about! I have been arguing against
- >the *sexist* (i.e. including women) use of "man", not the use of "man" to
- >designate male human beings. I thought you were arguing in favour of the
- >sexist use of "man" to include women.
- >
- Huh? "Man" isn't sexist when it is used to include women.
-
- >>Yes, the *sexist* use of "man" is pointless and undesirable. But the
- >>"non-sexist" use of man isn't.
- >
- >What is the sexist use of "man" then, since in an earlier post you said
- >it could be used to include women? If that isn't the sexist use, what is?
- >
-
- The sexist use of "man" occurs when it isn't clear from the context
- whether it includes women as well. Further, this ambiguity is exploited
- by others to demean women.
-
- Mandar.
-
- --
- "Imagine there are no countries. It isn't hard to do. Nothing to kill or die
- for, and no religion too. Imagine all the people living life in peace.
- You may say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope that some
- day you'll join us, and the world will be as one." - John Lennon.
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