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- From: mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi)
- Subject: Re: They (was Re: Shaking people up with "she"? (was Re: Sexist language))
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- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:32:33 GMT
- References: <1992Dec20.233047.24993@cdf.toronto.edu> <BzL4yC.L31@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> <1992Dec21.042942.6539@cdf.toronto.edu>
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- In article <1992Dec21.042942.6539@cdf.toronto.edu> g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu (Rosemary Waigh) writes:
- >In article <BzL4yC.L31@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi) writes:
- >>Rosemary Waigh writes:
- >>>Most people my age do not post on the net.
- >>
- >>So their absence indicates their agreement with your statement???
-
- >No, I have talked to them in real life, since early childhood!
- >
- Have you talked to ALL the people of your age? Oh my, you *do* move
- around. There must be thousands (if not millions) of native speakers
- of your age.
-
- >>Anyway, most people of ANY age don't post to the net. That doesn't
- >>prove anything.
- >It proves that you can't use the net as a reliable sample. There is a
- >great deal of self-selection.
-
- So, we should accept your experiences as "reliable samples" (whatever
- that means).
-
- >>
- >>>The net is hardly representative of the population in general.
- >>That is debatable. People from different backgrounds post to the net
- >>and the variety in opinions you encounter here, is hardly observed
- >>in real life.
-
- >It is hardly representative *because* it is hardly observed in real life.
-
- Aren't you being a bit pompous? You are trying to extrapolate the
- experiences from *your* life to the entire world. I would regard the
- net to be far more representative of the opinions of the world than
- your "real life".
-
- >Everyone I know feels comfortable saying "they" as they always have without
- >having to write article on the net about it.
-
- Ask them if they feel comfortable with the usage of "they" in the sentences
- I have provided. Again, ask them if he/she would have sounded better.
-
- >>
- >>>(And even the people on the net who have
- >>>opposed the use of "they" in lieu of "he" occasionally slip and use "they"
- >>>forms!)
- >>Nobody's perfect! Don't tell me that you ALWAYS write *without* a
- >>single grammatical/spelling mistake.
- >Ah, but it's not a mistake, it's the natural (as opposed to hypercorrected)
- >way of writing!
- >
- Natural to whom??
- Present the sentences I have formed with "they", "their", etc. and ask
- them if they are "natural".
-
- >I take a *descriptive* approach rather than a *prescriptive* approach: i.e.
- >the rules of English are those that describe how adult native speakers of
- >English really speak, not how a few prescriptivists wish they spoke.
-
- Remember that "adult native speakers" doesn't include only your closeted
- world. There are LOTS of speakers who DON'T find the use of "they",
- "their" grammatical in the sentences provided by me.
-
-
- Mandar.
- --
- "Imagine there are no countries. It isn't hard to do. Nothing to kill or die
- for, and no religion too. Imagine all the people living life in peace.
- You may say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope that some
- day you'll join us, and the world will be as one." - John Lennon.
-