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- From: boserj@netcom.com (Jeffrey Boser)
- Subject: Re: Purity
- Message-ID: <1993Jan1.083649.13361@netcom.com>
- Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
- References: <1993Jan1.014238.17022@netcom.com> <93001.010248SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
- Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 08:36:49 GMT
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- Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
- >[the rest of Jeff's post sent elsewhere]
- >
- >Words are the hands of the mind.
- >
- >To expand upon that a little, if you don't have a word for it, things
- >can be hard to think about. Or, worse, if the conotations that a word
- >you are given don't fit you. I certainly don't feel suffused with the
- >standard social consensus spirit of manliness, for instance, even if
- >I am one. (Once, during an intimate moment, someone told me I was 'such
- >a man'. It was meant as a compliment; I still can't hear it except as
- >very sarcastic, at best, because I know damn well I'm not.)
- >
- >Sexuality (which is very personal) is presently very tied up with
- >issues of social conformity and group identity axioms. If labels
- >can be created that refer to sexual preferences but *don't*
- >connect to those axioms, the problem in large measure goes away.
- >(Theoretically; so far as I know, this has never happened.)
- >
- >Graydon
-
- yeah, roy brought that up to. I can understand the need to talk
- about these things, but what I find so uncomfortable are all the
- expectations and connotations that are draped over labels that are
- so inaccurate to begin with.
-
- I started masturbating when I was about 4, in the pool. and ever
- since then how I see myself sexually has undergone some massive
- revisions. there is no guarentee that ill be the same even a year
- from now, with the same desires. I may be bi now, but I may not
- always be, and I get a little irked sometimes when discussing
- how I feel sexually.
-
- For example, I have been in conversations more than once about
- 'what' i was.. and get asked the same questions, like have i
- ever been attracted to a man in my life, that sort of thing. and
- then the person will give me a label, and i thank them and
- we can get on with our conversation.
-
- Its like Im being issued a name tag for that person. To fit
- in their catagory. Even if it is one that isnt that hard to
- wear, I find it uncomfortable.
-
- And I dont see it as being all that necessary, I have had relationships
- where common understanding was based on physics that were longer
- and more understanding.
-
- I can understand how catagorizing is important, I do it myself.
- But I dont understand why sexual catagories have to have all the
- extra baggage. If I know someone is a physisist, I dont assume
- he doesnt play basketball too, so why should I assume that a
- sexual label is so intrinsic (sp?) to a person that it is all
- he or she is? And I see this ALL the time.
-
- I think we need some more words, to describe the relationships
- that people prefer and practice better.
-
- <smirk>
-
- guess Im ranting and raving again. ok, Im asking for help..
- is there any thing that can help me clarify these issues
- in my mind? or do I have to solve this one on my own?
-
- ....jeff
-
-