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- From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
- Newsgroups: soc.bi
- Subject: Re: Attack of the Separatists
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- Date: 21 Dec 92 16:23:26 GMT
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- In-reply-to: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu's message of 20 Dec 1992 00:34:36 GMT
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- In article <1h0f2sINNptn@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
- >OK ... should men, then, hold controlling interests in feminist
- >organizations?
-
- "Should"? No. "Can"? Yes.
-
- >Is the president of NOW male?
-
- Irrelevant.
-
- >_should_ the president of NOW
- >be male? And heck, NOW is as mainstream as you get, feminism-wise.
-
- That's up to the membership, I would think (I'm not sure exactly how the
- president is selected). I would not say "should," again, but "can."
-
- >->Well, I don't quite know what "pro-feminist" is. Is that like "I'm not
- >->a feminist, but..."?
- >Yes, it is.
-
- Most of the people who say that are implicitly putting down feminism as
- an undesirable thing to identify yourself with.
-
- >->I get the impression that you're saying that only
- >->women are feminists, and men can only be "pro-feminist." I don't think
- >->that that is true at all.
- >Fair enough. You have a right to your own opinion, of course.
-
- As do all the other feminists I know who think this (the vast majority,
- both male and female).
-
- >I'm also not really sure I _understand_ all I need to
- >understand. I think I may know, for example, how much shit women have to go
- >through, but I am not yet sure I've internalized it.
-
- And you won't, as long as you keep rejecting their experience.
-
- Semi-bi relevance: Speaking of labels, which I'm not that fond of, they
- do have an effect (which is probably why I am wary of them). When I
- started to say that I was a "feminist," I started to understand a lot
- more about the way our society treats women. Similarly, since I started
- to say that I was "bisexual," I have felt a lot more settled in to my
- sexuality. Maybe that's just becuase words/names/labels are very
- powerful to me, but it's an interesting experience...*smile*.
-
- Muffy
- --
-
- Muffy Barkocy | ~Can you tell me how much bleeding/it
- muffy@mica.berkeley.edu | takes to fill a word with meaning and/
- "amorous inclinations"? Aha! I'm | how much how much death it takes/to give
- not "not straight," I'm *inclined*.| a slogan breath?~ - Bruce Cockburn
-