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- From: timf@eskimo.com (Timothy R. Flanagan)
- Subject: Re: Displaying a weapon (was Bicycles are Vehicles)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec24.014501.1081@eskimo.com>
- Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<
- References: <1992Dec15.014425.11930@eskimo.com> <4126@phred.UUCP>
- Distribution: seattle
- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 01:45:01 GMT
- Lines: 87
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- In article <4126@phred.UUCP> harryb@phred.UUCP writes:
- :In article 11930@eskimo.com, timf@eskimo.com (Timothy R. Flanagan) writes:
- :>I never displayed a weapon. That is against the law.
- :
- :NOT!
- :
- :There are many scenarios in which it is NOT against the law to display
- :a weapon.
-
- Well, sure. But the "scenario" under discussion does not happen to be
- one of those.
-
- :>It is called
- :>"brandishing".
- :
- :NOT!
- :
- :There are both Washington State statutes and local (King County,
- :Seattle, other political subdivisions) ordinances governing "Displaying
- :a Weapon" modelled upon (usually word for word) the State statute. The
- :word "brandishing" or any word even remotely close to it is not part of
- :those statutes. If you believe this to be incorrect, please cite the
- :Washington State statute, or King County or City (your specific city
- :where you work as a Communication Specialist will do, or any other in
- :Washington) ordinance on "Brandishing".
-
- You are correct. The word "brandishing" does not occur in the
- statues. I guess this is just a convenient term that people use to
- mean "Revised Code of Washington Title 9: 41.270 Weapons apparently
- capable of producing bodily harm--Unlawful carrying or handling--
- Penalty--Exception." If anyone is actually interested in the text of this
- section, let me know and I will post it.
-
- I probably should have qualified my statement thusly:
- "This is *commonly* called 'brandishing'."
- Sorry about the imprecision.
-
- :> Also, I am not an officer. As I indicated, I work
- :>for King County Police. I am a Communications Specialist. I answer
- :>the phone, screan requests for emergency (police, fire & medical)
- :>response, and dispense what the training manual calls "police advice".
- :
- :Could you enlighten us on what constitutes "police advice"? That
- :manual should probably contain a caution about presenting misinformed
- :opinion gleaned from "Top Cop", "Bad Boys", and "Rescue 911" as fact
- :(which I am sure you would never do in your official capacity,
- :right? :-)
-
- What are you asking here? I don't understand the reference to the TV
- programs. It seems intended to cast some sort of shadow on my
- credibility, but to what end? What, exactly, is the point?
- I choose to refrain from responding to this question until you have
- clarified your intentions.
-
- :>I am not a commissioned officer, I do not wear a uniform, and I do not
- :>"impersonate" police officers. I am just an ordinary private citizen.
- :
- :You probably shouldn't give up your day job.
-
- Excuse me? I'm confused. That *is* my day job (until I'm assigned to
- graveyard shift, of course, at which point it becomes my "night job:-)
- Again, what does this statement mean, or even imply? It isn't clear.
-
- :>I also agree with your statements. Carrying a deadly weapon is a
- :>tremendous responsibility,
- :
- :In spirit, I agree. However, "tremendous" is subjective, so we may not
- :completely agree.
-
- Again, what is the purpose of this statement, other than to affirm that
- we very likely hold different opinions on this subject (probably a truism,
- and irrelevant even if it *did* require explicit declaration)?
- So what are you saying? As I read your post, I grow increasingly
- suspicious of its purpose, and your motives. Either I am completely
- misinterpreting (or fabricating) a subtext in your post,
- or you are trying to discredit me. If the first is true, I apologize
- for my skepticism and my guarded tone. If the second is true, go
- for it, but you've really got to make sure that the sarcasm delivers
- the blow you intend, rather than simply confusing your audience.
- I am not personally inclined to engage in a flame-war at this time,
- and will probably decline your challenge.
- --
- Timothy R. Flanagan
- ACLU EFF NRA
- tim@reed.edu
- timf@eskimo.celestial.com
-