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- From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)
- Newsgroups: sci.space
- Subject: Re: Let's be more specific (was: Stupid Shut Cost arguements)
- Date: 1 Jan 1993 23:56:42 GMT
- Organization: UDSI
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- In article <1993Jan1.030602.21051@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes:
- >
- >If DC flies with anything like the performance and costs that are
- >projected, it will be a big commercial success. I think those
- >numbers are still optimistic and that the program risks are still
- >large, however. Shuttle was a cheap $300 a pound launcher when it
- >was a paper airplane too. Even with a 3X stretchout of development time,
- >and a 3X increase in projected costs, it'll beat government run Shuttle
- >costs, but would have trouble against actual Shuttle costs if Shuttle
- >were run under comparable commercial rules. What I'm saying in a nutshell
- >is that the proposed DC is expected to be cheaper than the operating Shuttle
- >because they are required to operate in different manners by law and by
- >government and corporate culture. Thus your Shuttle bashing rightfully
- >should be government operating methods bashing. I'll happily join you in
- >*that*. Government can't do anything as efficiently as the private sector.
- >
-
-
-
- Gary,
-
- The operating methods of any stackable vehicle are going to
- significantly different from a recoverable single stage vehicle.
-
- You keep arguing that the russians have high costs for their
- stackables, and that ariane has high costs subsidized by the government.
-
- I know you believe that cheap stackables can be done, but those
- are the same paper designs you condemn DC for.
-
- Shuttle could have lower costs then NASA currently has,
- but it still needs a tremendous infrastructure. The OPF,
- the VAB, Tilting bay, the crawler/transporter. Launch towers.
-
- The DC will not need much more infrastructure, then a
- airline hangar. Henry, alan and I all believe that eliminating
- all this structure and cost will make up for any lower
- vehicle lift capacity.
-
- Please demonstrate how Lockheed could eliminate all these costs
- from commercial shuttle operations.
-
- pat
-