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- From: Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov>
- Subject: Re: Justification for the Space Program
- Message-ID: <1992Dec30.210727.2116@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>
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- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:07:27 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec29.011735.16300@cs.rochester.edu> Paul Dietz,
- dietz@cs.rochester.edu writes:
- >Let me try this again: your historical argument is just bullshit. The
- >reasoning is vacuous, independent of the truth of the conclusion.
- >There are too many differences between then and now to accept the
- >argument as anything more than sloganeering.
-
- Maybe you would like to state these supposed huge differences
- which negate my arguement instead of waving your hands....
-
- >For example: (1) the
- >vessels they used to explore were straightforward extensions of known
- >technology,
-
- Oh, so rockets used for space exploration sprung from the ground as
- seedlings?
- Does the word Buzz-bomb mean anything to you? Does the name X-15 mean
- anything. The fact IS that the present vehicles are extensions of known
- technology!
-
- >(2) the lands explored did not involve significant
- >differences in technology in order to survive [those that did, like
- >the high Artic, were left largely alone for centuries],
-
- Note how you convenently leave out deep-sea exploration which
- has recieved significant exploration and did require technology
- development. How about the exploration of the high energy world?
-
- (3) the
- >resources they found could be exploited at low cost and yet returned
- >benefits large in proportion to the size of their economies. These
- >conditions don't appear to apply to space.
-
- Since we have done little in the area of exploiting space yet, this
- is pure speculation. Furthermore, satellite communication and
- weather monitoring has been quite profitable thank you very
- much.
-
- >
- >The track record so far in space is that some limited automated
- >applications are useful, or profitable (comsats are profitable, at
- >least for the moment; the others are government-run, so we don't know
- >if they really would be profitable.) Space resources? We went
- >to the moon and found... very little of practical value.
-
- The knowledge we gained, by itself, was worth the cost.
-
- >Space
- >manufacturing? Endlessly hyped with little to show for it.
-
- Since nobody has done any space manufacturing, this is mere
- speculation and a vacuous arguement.
-
- >Microgravity research? Impartial scientific review says it isn't
- >worth much.
-
- Maybe you would like to cite this so-called impartial review?
-
- >
- >You advance the straw man argument that I am arguing that there will
- >never be any benefits. As you say, we can't know that. But lack of
- >certainty doesn't mean we are absolved from the need to make decisions
- >on how scarce funds are expended.
-
- Right. The choices are:
-
- a.) Fund only safe, incremental research and wallow in stagnation.
- We could be penny-wise and pound foolish while our international
- competitors continue to kick our economic butts.
-
- or b.) Return to the bold, risk-taking, adventurous, society we use
- to be and return to prosperity.
-
- >You can't just say "you can't prove
- >me wrong, so gimme." At least, not with a straight face.
-
- But I can say that there is an extremely high probability, based on
- historical precedent, that you are wrong. That should be more than
- enough reason to fund bold initiatives like space exploration...
- unless we want to continue to act like a country of panty-waists...
-
- Norman
-
- Dr. Norman J. LaFave
- Senior Engineer
- Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Company
-
-
-
-
- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
- Hunter Thompson
-