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- From: BrianT@cup.portal.com (Brian Stuart Thorn)
- Newsgroups: sci.space
- Subject: Re: Stupid Shut Cost arguements (was Re: Terminal Velocity
- Message-ID: <72594@cup.portal.com>
- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 21:10:24 PST
- Organization: The Portal System (TM)
- References: <n1348t@ofa123.fidonet.org> <72527@cup.portal.com>
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- >All of which is irrelevent. The Shuttle's design goal was to reduce
- >the cost of space transportation. Its size, reuseability, etc. were
- >features decided on to meet that goal. But instead of reducing costs,
- >the Shuttle increased them.
- >
- >It is a failure.
-
- Size was increased to accomodate the military, not meet the reduced
- cost goal (and you call me a revisionist!) Reusability was and still
- is considered critical to meeting the low-cost objective. That payload
- return is a capability seldom used is beside the point. That the
- Shuttle is a failure is certainly true, as long as you believe Shuttle's
- only purpose was to haul cargo into LEO cheaply. I do not agree, and
- the presense of astronauts aboard certainly points to something else
- being a very highly-regarded design goal.
-
- >> Shuttle is also as much a technology demonstrator as it is a launch
- >> system.
-
- >I see you've graduated from the Gary Coffman School of Historical
- >Revisionism. :-) The Shuttle was not designed as a technological
- >demonstrator, but an operational vehicle. If there was a technology
- >demonstrator for the Shuttle program, it would be the X-15 or X-24.
-
- See above reply regarding revisionism. X-15 is a program very
- distantly related to the Shuttle, and it's goals were to expand
- the high speed, high altitude flight regime. That in doing so it
- gave NASA alot of information to use when designing Shuttle was
- just good luck, but the USSR flew their Shuttle without ever
- building an X-15 clone. HL-10/M2-F2/X-24 are certainly related
- to Shuttle, but they only demonstarted the landing portion of the
- technology, and the wingless lifting body was not used, anyway.
-
- >Yes, to "failure-oriented" managers, the fact that a project failed
- >is always beside the point. (After all, don't we expect every
- >project to fail?)
-
- Only when dealing with technology that has never been done before,
- such as the reusable spaceship. Twelve years after maiden flight
- and still nobody else has done that.
-
- -Brian
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