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- From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)
- Newsgroups: sci.space
- Subject: Re: Acceleration
- Date: 27 Dec 1992 18:04:22 GMT
- Organization: UDSI
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- In article <1992Dec22.220405.26976@wuecl.wustl.edu> gene@wucs1.wustl.edu (_Floor_) writes:
- >In article <BznC82.74x.1@cs.cmu.edu> roberts@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov (John Roberts) writes:
- >] That applies to things that are somewhat resiliant (like humans with their
- >] limbs not locked), because if deformation continues throughout the period
- >] of acceleration, then the entire body is not really subjected to the full
- >
- >Hmmm...you think maybe rigidity has something to do with this?
- >If something is rigid, it is much more likely to break than something
- >flimsy, which will bend. Electronics certainly canot be built in
- >a manner that will bend. Any flexing of the probe would have to
- >be somehow accounted for in the design.
- >
-
- Certainly electronics can be built to be flexible, it's just what degree
- of flexibilty you desire. Flex is a stress/strain relationship.
- Steel is flexible, rubber is rigid. you just need to define these terms
- first. besides, if you build with amorphous materials, you can get
- quite a flex out of silicons.
-
- and i believe the designers understnad the material characteristics
- of their probes quite well.
-
-
- >] But other than that, and factors such as prolonged stress on human hydraulic
- >] systems, the greater problem can be with rapid changes in acceleration, which
- >] are of course associated with short bursts of acceleration. (I believe the
- >] usual term for the time derivative of acceleration is "jerk".) These rapid
- >]
- >
-
-
- Actually, i think the term is Impulse.
-
-
- >You're joking me if you think the Galileo probe will experience constant
- >deceleration. There's going to be buffeting worse than we could imagine,
- >I imagine (:-). Especially at speeds many times that of sound (which I'm
- >sure will be different for the Jovian atmosphere)! So you're point is
- >very applicable. Experiencing this jolting for milliseconds (as per
- >a dropping watch) may not cause any damage. But if you dangled the watch
- >from the ceiling and proceeded to place a jackhammer at its face,
- >slamming into its face for a couple of minutes, liklihood is that
- >the watch will no longer function! Ditto for an atmospheric probe.
- >That thing is going to get one whale of a beating. You've helped me
- >emphasize my point even more! Thanks :-)
- >
- >
-
-
- Hopefully this kid will take a physics class.
-
- I think he is mistaking Work with Force and energy.
-
- Work is force through a distance, Energy is work*time, Force is mass*Accel
- ( boy i hope i got these right :-) )
-
- It takes energy to achieve a momentum change.
-
-
-
- A probe has high momentum hitting atmosphere. it gets a high acceleration,
- on a small mass. not a lot of force, exerted through several miles of
- atmosphere, for a few minutes.
-
- I think the kid is missing the fact that while the accelerations of dropping
- a watch and hitting it with a sledge are the same, the work products are significantly different.
-
- Try this. drop a timex. work out the acceleration.
-
- Now, hang the timex from a string. Let a pendular mass strike it, at low spe
- ed. work out the acceleration. keep increasing the mass and speed.
- continue until the timex dies. I suspect you will be surprised at how
- high you can go.
-
- Halting a 5 lb sledge witha watch is a major momentum change, hence mucho
- work in a millisecond.
-
- Conducting momentum transfer via pendular masses, is much less work.
- you can simulate this with that desk toy, using pendular ball.
- tape a timex on to one of the balls. it should survive.
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