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- From: sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer)
- Subject: Re: Crucifixion of Jesus?
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- Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 00:52:08 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec23.020611.10243@hfsi.uucp> ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata - FSO) writes:
- >
- >Jim, the English translation I have barely supports this the
- >theory. I have transcribed the NIV translation below of the
- >passages you site. If both of these texts started out as word by
- >word copying, then the translation certainly leaves something to
- >be desired! Note, for example, that Matthew doesn't even mention
- >that the paralytic is lowered through the roof. This certainly
- >can't be a by-product of translation, now can it? Looking at the
- >English, this is about as good a case of paraphrasing a commonly
- >known account that I can think of.
-
- From "Introduction to the First Three Gospels" by William Barclay
- (Professor of Divinity & Biblical Criticism at the University
- of Glasgow, AND a believing Christian)
-
- One of the most interesting facts which emerge on a close
- study of the first three gospels is that Matthew and Luke
- seem deliberately to 'improve' Mark. They alter certain
- things in Mark in order to improve Mark's style and Mark's
- material. They sometimes improve his vocabulary ... they
- sometimes improve his style ... Mark is prepared to put things
- in a way from which Matthew and Luke shrink, because they are
- more aware of the theological implications than Mark is. Matthew
- and Luke tend, so to speak, to 'protect' the apostles. They tend
- to omit anything that might look like a criticism of the apostles...
- p. 88-89.
-
- So your "non-copying" hypothesis is rejected even by the mainstream of
- scholars who are themselves Christians.
-
- Stating the matter bluntly, Matthew and Luke were derived from Mark
- because the preceeding document was felt to be Theologically Incorrect,
- and in need of improvement.
-
-
-
- --
-
- Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
-
- Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!
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-
- "Mystical explanations are considered deep. The truth is that
- they are not even superficial."
-
- - Friedrich Nietzsche (The Gay Science: 126)
-