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- From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
- Subject: Re: Will the -REAL- Christians please stand up? Was: What did Judas betray?
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- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:15:54 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec29.183758.2411@hfsi.uucp> ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata - FSO) writes:
- >>But how do I tell if someone ignores the core beliefs of Jesus? Not only can't
- >>Christians agree on who is a Christian, they can't even agree on what the core
- >>beliefs of Jesus are. It's as if there were a few dozen mutually contradictive
- >>Republican party platforms.
- >I would suggest that people read the New Testament for a
- >definition of what Jesus stood for. It is the "party platform" of
- >Christianity. To those who say that it has ambiguities, I would
- >reply that there is plenty of unambigous and clear teachings of
- >Christ to go around.
-
- That doesn't answer the question. What "ambiguous" means is that when a lot
- of different people look at it, they see a lot of different things. If that's
- so, it's by definition ambiguous. You cannot say that it's not ambiguous if
- that happens--the word just doesn't have that meaning; if different people see
- different things, it's _automatically_ ambiguous.
-
- So I've read the New Testament. It turns out that even though I read it, I
- still cannot figure out who is a "real" Christian. Now what?
-
- Fine. I read the Gospels and conclude that to be like Jesus I must destroy
- things like he did to fig trees. Thus the Crusaders were behaving in a
- Christ-like manner.
-
- >There seems to be a notion that the fights that different
- >Christian denominations have with one another were over the basic
- >values of Jesus.
-
- Of course, the fights were over other things _also_, but the disagreement over
- the basic values of Jesus _did_ have _something_ to do with it.
-
- >Rather,
- >after reading the Gospels, one gets an idea of what Jesus stood
- >for: e.g. Love of the one true God, love of neighbor from which
- >springs forth mercy, compassion, unlimited forgiveness, etc.
- >These values are not contested by any Christian denomination that
- >I know of but are universally accepted because to deny them would
- >deny the essence of who Jesus was.
-
- These values were contested by many, such as the Crusaders and the
- Inquisition.
-
- Many Christian denominations also accept these values, but disagree on what
- they mean--exactly what does mercy or compassion _mean_? Many Christians
- do things in the name of mercy or compassion that other Christians think are
- not merciful or compassionate.
-
- Saying that "real" Christians are merciful or compassionate doesn't tell me
- which ones are real Christians--because you won't agree on what behavior is
- merciful or compassionate either.
- --
- "On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Leftover Turkey!
- On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Turkey casserole
- that she made from Leftover Turkey.
- [days 3-4 deleted] ... Flaming Turkey Wings! ...
- -- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait)
-
- Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)
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