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- From: nichael@bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
- Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,talk.religion.misc
- Subject: Re: Believability of "Q" (was: Crucifixion of Jesus?)
- Date: 21 Dec 92 08:52:02
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- In-reply-to: sheaffer@netcom.com's message of 20 Dec 92 02:55:42 GMT
-
- In article <1992Dec20.025542.21397@netcom.com> sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:
- >1) I never said that they were independent sources. I only
- >disputed if they were copying from each other, or a common source
- >(ever hear of Q?)
-
- As I note in "The Making of the Messiah," the "Q" theory was invented
- as a defense against the findings of critical analysis ("Oh, these
- guys didn't just copy each other, they each copied this old, reliable
- document called "Q"). Recent books seem to suggest that NT scholars
- are finding the "Q" hypothesis pretty much untenable, but they *don't*
- have anything better at this time.
-
- C.H. Talbert speaks of "widespread loss of confidence " in the
- two-source theory that has occurred in the last fifteen years. He
- does not assume it or any other source theory in his recent work,
- _Reading Luke. A Literary and Theological Commentary on the Third
- Gospel_ (NY: Crossroads, 1982). Cf. E.P. Sanders, "NT Studies Today,"
- _Colloquy on NT Studies: A Time for Reappraisal and Fresh Approaches_
- (Macon, GA: Mercer University, 1983) 11-28: source criticism is in
- disarray and the synoptic problem must be regarded as open.
-
- - Jane Schaberg, _The Illegitimacy of Jesus_ (NY: Crossroad,
- 1990, p. 225).
-
- Ah yes, Mercer University Press. The home of dear old William Farmer
- and his friends.
-
- Robert, you need to guard a little more carefully against this (no
- doubt, non-deliberate) tendancy to cite _any_ source that supports
- your argument at the expense of more credible sources that disagree
- with your (pre-formed?) conclusions.
-
- The temptation is no doubt great but it does tend to overshadow the
- rest of what you have to say, which is often quite valuable.
-
- Certainly there is criticism of Q --just as there is criticism of the
- standard model in any field--- but this implication that most NT
- scholars find the Q hypothesis to be "pretty much untenable" is simple
- nonsense as a casual browsing of the relevant work of any major expert
- in the field will show.
-
- N
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