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- From: Jed Rothwell <72240.1256@compuserve.com>
- Subject: Why should it be simple?
- Message-ID: <921231034740_72240.1256_EHL52-2@CompuServe.COM>
- Sender: scott@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Scott Hazen Mueller)
- Reply-To: Jed Rothwell <72240.1256@compuserve.com>
- Organization: Sci.physics.fusion/Mail Gateway
- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 04:22:59 GMT
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- Jon is the one-zillionth person to come up with the weird, naive, and
- counter-intuitive argument that the CF reaction cannot exist because it
- happens too easily, in too many places, under too many conditions, with too
- many different products. Huizenga said to me, "first you say it happens in
- palladium, now nickel. Which is it? Make up your mind!" Is there a rule it
- can't be both? What on earth makes people think that a natural phenomena
- must be simple, straightforward, and can only work in one fashion? Why must
- there be one and only one way to start a CF reaction? Let us have a look
- at another well know reaction:
-
- Me: "Look here: I have dried grass and sticks. I can start a 'fire' by
- rubbing the sticks together, or by focusing sunlight with this magnifying
- glass, or even by striking these pieces of flint together near the grass.
- It has to be flint, though; other kinds of rocks don't work."
-
- Skeptic: "You must be talking about three different phenomena. The
- conditions that trigger this reaction are totally different: friction is
- nothing like sunlight, and your rock experiment can't be right. Why should
- it work with flint but not with granite or sandstone? If it works with one
- kind of rock, it should work with all the others the same way. So anyway,
- how do you quench the reaction?"
-
- Me: "Now, that brings up a very odd point: To quench the reaction, I pour
- water on it. But, I have observed, there is a slow, long term version of
- fire that works in just the opposite fashion. You get a large pile of dried
- grass, wet it down, bale it up, and put it in a barn. In a couple of
- months, it is likely to burst into flames spontaneously. It doesn't happen
- every time, it is not as predictable as the 'fast' methods. To avoid the
- 'slow' reaction, be sure the grass is nice and dry before you bale it, and
- throw some salt on the bales to help keep it dry. But, if you do get this
- water-induced fire, you can quench it by putting a much larger amount of
- water on it: several orders of magnitude larger."
-
- Skeptic: "First of all, this is crazy and contradictory! How can water stop
- the reaction in one case and promote it in another?!? Furthermore, how can
- there be 'slow' fire that takes weeks to get going, and 'fast' fire that
- you start in a few minutes by banging rocks together. [Slow Pd CF, fast Ni
- CF]. It has to work the same way, at the same speed, or it is not the same
- reaction."
-
- Me: "Look, it's complicated, I don't know why or how it works. But come and
- observe, or try it yourself. It will burn if you do it right. Just remember
- the recipes and rules of thumb: dry for fast fire, wet for slow. Don't use
- any rock but flint. If you want to use the stick rubbing method, don't wet
- or lubricate the stick to make it go faster, but do rub it as fast as you
- can. For a slow fire, compress the grass into tight bales [high loading],
- but for a fast fire, make a loose pile of grass to allow plenty of air,
- and..."
-
- Skeptic: "Stop giving me all these ad hoc, contradictory rules! I don't
- have to look. I can see that the whole story is full of contradictions, and
- it is far too complicated. It can't work in so many different ways under
- different conditions! Nature is always simple, straightforward and logical.
- If I cannot understand this phenomenon merely by thinking about it, and
- comparing it to previously discovered phenomena according to the known
- laws, then it can't exist. I don't have to do any experiments, I am an
- expert already."
-
- Moral: If you don't understand a phonomenon, then it does not appear to make
- any sense. CF looks far more complicated than it really is. *After* we learn
- what CF is, and how it works, all of the appearent, mind-boggling
- contradictions will vanish, the disparate data will fit together, and CF will
- fit in neatly with everything else we know about nature.
-
- Note: every statement here has a close analogy in the CF debate. "All rocks
- must work the same way" equates to Morrison's Law: "Palladium and nickel are
- the same thing." I write these analogies carefully.
-
- This, by the way, will be my last posting for a while, as my many Gentle
- Readers will be pleased to hear. I thank you for your responses here, and
- by private e-mail.
-
- - Jed
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