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- From: webb+@CS.CMU.EDU (Jon Webb)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
- Subject: Re: Some old data be wrong
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- Date: 28 Dec 92 21:06:43 GMT
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- In article <921224233714_72240.1256_EHL53-1@CompuServe.COM> 72240.1256@compuserve.com (Jed Rothwell) writes:
-
- Also, of course, I take the traditional, rational, Western view that if any
- theory does get in the way, it must be wrong, because nothing can stand in
- the way of replicated data at 90 sigma. Jones, Huizenga, Morrison, and Close
- believe in a new form of religion -- not science -- because they believe
- that Man Knows Everything, and if Nature disagrees, however vehemently, She
- is Wrong. They apparently believe that Theory overrules Facts...
-
- No, Jed, they don't believe that theory overrules facts; they just
- don't accept the "Facts" you claim as being real. As I understand it,
- you think that cold fusion exists, and can sometimes be done using
- heavy water, and other times with light water; that it can be done in
- a wide variety of experimental situations, ranging from electrolysis
- of palladium or nickel to titanium soaked in deuterium gas to
- outgassing from palladium plates; that it sometimes produces tritium
- or He3 or He4 or neutrons or gamma rays, and sometimes not; etc.
- Basically, you seem to believe every paper published that claims a
- positive result for cold fusion, and disbelieve every paper that
- claims a negative result. With that perspective, I imagine you must
- think that cold fusion is one of the most easily reproduced phenomena
- in existence.
-
- The scientists you cite as skeptics look at the history of cold fusion
- experiments and see this pattern over and over: someone claims a
- positive result, then withdraws it later (or it just somehow
- disappears, being reported at a conference and then never heard from
- again); or someone claims to have gotten cold fusion to work, then
- can't get it to work anymore; or someone tries a cold fusion
- experiment with apparently careful technique, and it doesn't work.
- They just don't see any reason to throw out all this carefully
- developed theory in light of a collection of mutually contradictory
- experiments with inconsistent approaches and often demonstratably
- sloppy technique.
-
- You claim that anyone can get 90 sigma. Well, it seems to me that Tom
- Droege has been trying to do that for quite a while now, and has not
- succeeded. You yourself tried, and didn't succeed. What is wrong?
- Is Tom part of the anti-cold fusion conspiracy? Are you?
-
- -- J
-