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- Path: sparky!uunet!rde!aee!gene
- From: gene@aee.aee.com (Gene Kochanowsky)
- Subject: Re: Religion vs science: two questions, concluded
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.151303.2412@aee.aee.com>
- Keywords: anthropics, faith, humor
- Reply-To: gene@aee.aee.com
- Organization: Associated Electronic Engineers
- References: <Bz4n8I.CAp@world.std.com> <1992Dec12.050325.16212@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <1992Dec19.215537.3152@aee.aee.com> <1426@kepler1.rentec.com>
- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:13:03 GMT
- Lines: 44
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- andrew@rentec.com (Andrew Mullhaupt) writes:
-
- >>It would be interesting if people would post what they think the word
- >>faith means and then a citation from their dictionary with reference.
-
- >No, that would be pretty boring. Strictly speaking, definitions are matter
- >of agreement between the parties to the discussion. Otherwise it's the
- >same thing as shouting. Much better to skip the dictionary reference,
- >since if the definition persuades the disputants to agree, it isn't
- >important if it comes from a dictionary. Even the OED cannot be taken
- >as beyond dispute.
-
- OK. If this is the way you feel, then what exactly is your definition of
- "faith". I guess is all boils down to that. As you said, it is what the
- two parties agree to. But it seems to me that your reluctance to divulge
- your definition, accompanied or not by one from the dictionary, indicates
- an attitude of intellectual smugness, and certainly no desire on your part
- to discuss the issues.
-
- >>Much of this discussion centers around differing definitions. This process
- >>might result in a definition that all would agree reflects the common usage,
- >>like it or not.
-
- >So what. If you want to convince people, you have to get them to agree
- >to _your_ usage, not common usage. Science is chock full of terms which
- >have important and useful meanings which are not in common usage. Take
- >for example the commonplace 'rate of speed'. Do _you_ use this to be
- >synonymous with 'speed', the way it is _commonly_ used? If so, you cannot
- >expect many readers of sci.physics to join you, even should you produce
- >an entire stack of errant dictionaries to support this usage. I expect
- >most physicists are glad to be able to use acceleration in preference to
- >'rate of speed'.
-
- Again, Andrew, how can we agree to anything, IF WE DO NOT LET EACH OTHER
- KNOW WHAT WE ARE THINKING!
-
- PS. What is OED?
-
- Gene Kochanowsky
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