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- From: daryl@oracorp.com (Daryl McCullough)
- Subject: Re: QM non-causal?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec21.134142.3455@oracorp.com>
- Organization: ORA Corporation
- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 13:41:42 GMT
- Lines: 82
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- paul@mtnmath.UUCP (Paul Budnik) writes:
-
- >> [...] Statistical mechanics assigns a measure to (some of) the
- >> sets of possible worlds.
-
- >In classical mechanics we understand what the connection is between the
- >possible worlds and the actual world. There statistics provide an objective
- >measure of our imperfect knowledge of a single physical world.
-
- I'm not sure what you mean by "an objective measure". The statistics
- is definitely *not* objective, in that different observers might use
- different weights on the possibilities.
-
- >> Quantum mechanics can be given a similar interpretation, where instead
- >> of assigning probabilities to sets of possible worlds, it assigns
- >> probability amplitudes to sets of possible worlds. [...]
- >> The fact that there are incompatible observables, such as S_x and S_y
- >> (the spin of a particle in the x and y directions), simply means that
- >> some sets of possible worlds, such as the set of all worlds in which
- >> S_x = 1/2 and S_y = 1/2, are not assigned any amplitude whatsoever.
- >> There is no reason that this should be any more upsetting than the
- >> fact that classical measure theory fails to assign measures to some
- >> sets. [...]
- >
- >It may not be upsetting but it is a direct conflict with the classical
- >interpretation. It precludes the possibility of there being a single
- >objective physical reality that the statistics refer to.
-
- Why does it preclude it? Why isn't it possible to assume that we are
- in some definite world, and the wave function measures our lack of
- knowledge of which world we are in? Of course, the wave function does
- not represent our lack of knowledge in the form of a probability, but
- in the form of a probability amplitude.
-
- >Of course you do not need to use the classical interpretation, but if
- >you do not you have to replace it with something else. What could that
- >be? That there actually exist many different physical worlds or ... ?
-
- I don't know why you think the physical existence of many different
- worlds is any more necessary in the quantum case than in the classical
- case of statistical mechanics.
-
- >The problem in quantum mechanics has always been how do we connect the
- >mathematics of the theory to the observations in experiments. I do not
- >think anyone has a resaonable answer to this question. I suspect that
- >Everett only succeeds in obscuring the problem with some pointless
- >mathematics.
-
- I disagree that Everett was doing "pointless mathematics". What the
- mathematics shows is the coherence of quantum theory. Many of the
- add-ons to quantum mechanics, such as the assumption that measurements
- collapse the wave function, or the distinction between "mixtures" and
- "superpositions", are unnecessary, since many of the key features of
- these additions are derivable from quantum theory itself. Quantum
- theory predicts that the act of partitioning the world into system
- and observer will have the result of introducting mixtures into
- the description of the system following an observation.
-
- I don't agree that Everett's work has closed the book on
- interpretations of quantum mechanics by any means, but I
- believe that it is an important contribution.
-
- >Bell had some harsh criticism of Everett in "Measurement theory of
- >Everett/de Broigle's pilot wave" (in *Speakable and unspeakable in
- >quantum Mechanics*, J. S. Bell, Cambridge). Bell suggests that
- >Everett's ideas compare unfavorably with de Broigle's earlier work
- >along the same lines. Do any of the supporters of Everett have an
- >answer to these objections?
-
- De Broglie's work was not "along the same lines", except in a very
- general sense. They both were working on the assumption that the wave
- function was a physical quantity, but whereas De Broglie believed that
- the wave function was a component of physical reality, Everett
- believed that the wave function might be a *complete* description of
- physical reality.
-
- I'll have to postpone a rebuttal to Bell until I reread his essay.
-
- Daryl McCullough
- ORA Corp.
- Ithaca, NY
-
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