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- From: "david.r.wells" <drw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com>
- Subject: Re: Alaska Class Cruisers
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- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:24:54 GMT
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- From "david.r.wells" <drw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com>
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- In article <ByyB0p.8sJ@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
- >
- >In article <Byw9B2.6oo@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> Charles Meo <cm@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au> writes:
- >
- >>By WW2 the battlecruiser was an obsolete specification since the kind of
- >>surface engagements envisaged never happened. Anyone who had battlecruisers
- >>(British, Japanese, perhaps the Germans) used them as ersatz battleships if
- >>they could get away with it, and often didn't. However, they could keep up
- >>with fast carriers, so I suppose this was a plus.
- >
- >Just what was a battleship's role (vs. the role of a battlecruiser) any-
- >how? My impression was that a battleship (heavily armored but slow) were
- >used to counter other battleships in fleet actions. Battlecruisers were
- >meant to run around in squadrons or independantly and have the speed for
- >commerce raiding and the countering of commerce radiers and other duty
- >where one is required to bring large amounts of firepower to bear without
- >having to be subject to it oneself. The problem is you have to counter
- >battlecruisers with battlecruisers since you need speed to catch them and
- >large guns to avoid getting destroyed before you can get within effective
- >range. Otherwise you'll have to try to trap them as was done at Jutland.
- >So how were WWII battlecruisers used as battleships? My impression was that
- >the opposite was true in some cases - battleships were used in hunt-and-
- >destroy missions (the odds of the battlecruiser getting caught were higher
- >due to the advent of aircraft and radar).
- >
- The original role of the battlecruiser was to run around picking on
- armored cruisers. They did that well. The problem was, people saw
- those big guns, and thought "Fast Battleships!", and got into all
- kinds of trouble. They were also good for commerce raiding.
- By WWII, most major powers moved away from battlecruisers (with
- some notable exceptions!), but they appeared to be the thing to have
- against German Panzerschiffen. (Of course, did any battlecruiser ever
- CATCH one? NO! The Froggies burned out their turbines trying.)
- Alas, even by WWII, people STILL hadn't learned. The Scharnhorst tried
- to play battleship against the Duke of York, and lost. The Kirishima
- tried it against the Washington and South Dakota, and lost. The Hood
- tried it on the Bismarck, and lost (although I think in the case of
- the Hood, it may have been a lucky hit. Hood's armor wasn't THAT bad).
- Kirov vs New Jersey anyone?
- If battlecruisers had stuck to their role of beating up cruisers,
- they might have worked better.
-
- David R. Wells
-
- DISCLAIMER: My opinions, not AT&Ts.
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