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- From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
- Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
- Subject: Re: Calcium/Magnesium
- Message-ID: <1992Dec30.210138.23118@spdcc.com>
- Date: 30 Dec 92 21:01:38 GMT
- References: <1992Dec30.054649.19891@spdcc.com> <C02C9A.CCt@wpg.com>
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- In article <C02C9A.CCt@wpg.com> russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence) writes:
- >This sounds familiar. Several weeks ago you stated that the
- >claim made by Ornish, Breslau, Marsh, Johnson, Allen (and many
- >others) concerning the impact of protein intake on calcium
- >excretion was "controversial at best"... thereby implying that
- >"mainstream" opinion was on your side (as usual). For some
- >strange reason, however, you failed to present any evidence to
- >support your side of the argument.
-
- Ornish doesn't make this claim other than to accept it at face value.
- His interests are in diet, blood lipids and atherosclerosis, and not
- osteoporosis, and he's done no research in this area. In fact, I did
- reply to your article, and gave you several references which refuted
- this claimed link between protein intake and calcium excretion. Did
- you miss them? I'll try to dig them up again.
-
- >I won't bother to ask you again for your references, but I wonder if
- >you'd mind telling us how the "mainstream" opinion against Moon's
- >"crank" hypothesis stacks up against the "mainstream" opinion against
- >the aforementioned "crank" hypothesis set forth by Ornish et al?
-
- In fact, the role of protein intake in the development of osteoporosis
- is almost totally ignored by researchers in the field, and the few studies
- which have been done under controlled conditions haven't borne this out
- over time. Most of the evidence for such an association comes from
- studies of populations which aren't necessarily controlled for genetic
- factors. I think the evidence as such is comparatively weak. It would be a
- "crank" argument to recommend that all people prone to osteoporosis should
- avoid dairy products. This is premature.
-
- >>>Ok, so you've had a 20 year interest in pharmacology, but I take
- >>>it that you don't actually have any degree of any kind in
- >>>pharmacology? Is that right?
- >> No degree. Three courses at Harvard Medical School, which I took out
- >> of my own interest. So what?
- >
- >Thanks for your honesty. I'm beginning to understand why you
- >typically make a point of labeling your critics pejoratively
- >as "ankle biters" while portraying your own position as "mainstream".
-
- What a stupid comment.
-
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- Steve Dyer
- dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
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