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- From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)
- Subject: Re: Calcium/Magnesium
- Message-ID: <altar.725683440@sfu.ca>
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- Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
- References: <altar.725581448@sfu.ca> <1992Dec28.234854.16347@pixel.kodak.com> <altar.725666594@sfu.ca> <1992Dec29.235244.7619@spdcc.com>
- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 02:44:00 GMT
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- Ted Wayn Altar) writes:
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- >>Instead, we are asked to take Mr. Dyer's word for it that
- >>Professor Moon is a crank. Ok, then in that case I would like know what
- >>Mr. Dyer's credentials are. Does he have a PhD from accredited
- >>university? Has he any publications? Has even a graduate degree of
- >>any kind?
-
- Steve Dyer replies:
-
- >Argument from authority. Is this your favorite form of
- argument?
-
- It seems to be yours as you don't bother to cite your references
- but simply burden the reader to take your word for it. Nor have
- you provided any discursive or factual evidence for your unseemly
- name-calling of Professor Moon as a "crank".
-
- As it turns out, arguments from authority do have validity if the
- authority is credible, and certainly such arguments carry more
- weight than the always fallacious `AD HOMINEM' arguments of the
- abusive variety (like name-calling Professor Moon as a "crank").
- To cite a prestigious authority on this matter:
-
- Agumentum ad verecundiam (appeal to authority) . . . This
- method of argument is not always strictly fallacious, for the
- reference to an admitted authority in the special field of
- his competence may carry great weight and constitute relevant
- evidence. If laymen are disputing over some question of
- physical science and one appeals to the testimony of Einstein
- on the matter, that testimony is very relevant. Although it
- does not prove the point, it certainly tends to support it.
- (from Irving Copi, INTRODUCTION TO LOGIC, 3r ed., p. 66-
- 7)
-
-
- >I have a masters degree in software engineering and a bachelor's in
- >biology, but I have 20 years of study in pharmacology, which has always
- >been an interest of mine.
-
- So, all you have is a BSc in biology. That hardly makes you an
- expert on "vitamin" D, and it certainly does not make you an
- accomplished expert like Professor Moon.
-
- Ok, so you've had a 20 year interest in pharmacology, but I take
- it that you don't actually have any degree of any kind in
- pharmacology? Is that right?. Certainly, you don't have PhD as
- does Dr. Moon, nor do you have a teaching/research position at an
- university, nor have you published any papers in this area.
- Indeed, have you published anything at all? A master's degree
- in software engineering hardly gives one much confidence in your
- expertise on vitamin D as does Moon's PhD in toxicology, his
- professorship in toxicology/nutrition and the fact that Moon has
- a successful publishing record on this topic in respectable
- scientific journals.
-
- Look, I don't intend to belittle or demean your background, but
- really, a little HUMILITY is in order before you go around
- calling just anybody a "crank" and putting down readers on the
- net for simply and sincerely reporting what they have read from
- accomplished researchers publishing in respectable journals.
-
- Calumny and name-calling are the tactics one should refrain from
- employing, especially if one values the higher standards of
- scientific evidence and good scholarship.
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