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- From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg)
- Newsgroups: sci.med
- Subject: Re: Adiposity 101
- Message-ID: <1992Dec31.063136.21570@omen.UUCP>
- Date: 31 Dec 92 06:31:36 GMT
- Article-I.D.: omen.1992Dec31.063136.21570
- References: <1992Dec29.024354.0201957@locus.com> <1992Dec30.112625.12466@omen.UUCP> <1992Dec30.184401.15382@spdcc.com>
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- In article <1992Dec30.184401.15382@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec30.112625.12466@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg) writes:
- >>One note for "Atkinites": Apparently citric acid bollixes ketosis in
- >>40-50% of dieters on a ketogenic low carbohydrate diet. And guess what,
- >>that stuff is in just about every diet soda except Dr. Pepper according
- >>to the labels I've read. Film at 11, details in next Adiposity 101.
- >
- >I would imagine that it depends on the amount of citric acid ingested.
- >It's metabolized like a carbohydrate (it is the "citric acid cycle", after
- >all.) The amount of citric acid someone would get from drinking diet sodas
- >is very small compared to their carbohydrate intake, even on an Atkins diet.
- >Note that most people on a 300-600 calorie/day diet will experience ketosis
- >even with a substantial part of this being carbohydrates. In any event,
- >the idea that diet sodas prevent ketosis in a large number of large people
- >is pretty far-fetched.
- >
- >>Note I am not endorsing the Atkins diet, just sharing some info.
- >>As far as I can discern, Atkins isn't worse than other
- >>weight loss diets given the same amount of weight loss.
- >
- >The problem is that you "share" these biochemical minutiae which have
- >no necessary relevance to the problems people who have to lose weight face.
-
- Actually the information appeared in the American Journal of
- Clinical Nutrition, the mouthpiece of the diet establishment,
- virtually the sole source of papers Gordon uses to dispute some
- of the points made in Adiposity 101.
-
- The 40-50% figure is what the author told me in a recent
- telephone conversation.
-
- I did find a few references to citric acid and metabolism in the
- literature. It is not just another carbohydrate.
-
- The paper is in Am J of Clin Nutr 1992;56:217S-23S. It has some
- rather interesting findings about VLCD and their remarkable
- sensitivity to tiny variations in CHO. Wouldn't hurt to read it.
-
-
- >You have no intelligent filter which allows you to weight these
- >trivia: every research report in IJO and other places seems to you to
- >have equal importance.
-
- And just who does have such an intelligent filter? Let the one
- with a statistically significant long term cure rate cast the
- first stone.
-
- Until there's a cure (or even a safe and effective treatment)
- many will use VLCD and/or Atkins. As reported on the net, results
- with Atkins have been spotty. Switching from Diet Coke to Dr
- Pepper might help some of them.
-
- I didn't claim that avoiding citric acid was the key to life,
- the universe, and eternal thinness. I didn't claim it has an
- effect on my health. But it might be useful to some, unless
- you feel they should suffer for their sins.
-
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