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- From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
- Newsgroups: sci.med
- Subject: Re: Adiposity 101
- Message-ID: <17875@pitt.UUCP>
- Date: 22 Dec 92 16:59:52 GMT
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- In article <dnsurber.724007610@node_26400> dnsurber@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov (Douglas N. Surber) writes:
-
- >I know I'm a little slow sometimes, but I don't get your point about
- >physics. From what I've understood from reading this thread, Chuck's
- >position seems to be there are variations in human metabolism that
- >cause some people to gain weight with less food intake than others.
- >Your point seems to be that one pound of fat is the equivalent of some
- >fixed number of calories, thus if one eats so many extra calories, he
- >will gain so many extra pounds.
- >
- >The physical relationship between calories and fat is most likely correct,
- >but why the assumption that every human metabolises food in exactly the
- >same way.
-
- I made no such assumption. What I said was that no matter how few
- calories you need for maintaining your weight, if you eat more
- than that you will gain weight and therefore are overeating.
- Chuch seems to want to define overeating as 3000 cal/day, or 2500 cal/day
- or some such nonsense. You don't have to eat a whole pizza or a
- whole pie to be overeating. If you maintain weight at 1200 calories
- and you eat 1500 cal/ day, then you are overeating.
-
- As far as significant differences in human metabolism, aside from
- exercise, no one has been able through careful calorimetry experiments
- to determine that the obese have more efficient metabolisms than
- normals. Chuck asserts this time and again, but there are no
- studies that demonstrate this. If it were true, wouldn't you
- think it could be measured? I suppose it also depends on what
- you consider significant. It is true that a very small change
- (say 5%) could lead to a significant weight gain over time, so
- it is true that the calorimetry would have to be precise.
-
-
-
-
- > My understanding is that most human metabolism varies over a
- >significant range, and it seems reasonable that the metabolism of food
- >would as well. This doesn't violate physics that I can see. We're
- >talking about a really large system, not a couple of weights and levers.
- >Such a system is going to be very stiff and there are more input conditions
- >than we can identify and control for.
- >
-
- Well, if you build a large calorimeter, put the person into it,
- measure the heat generated, the weight changes, and the food taken
- into the calorimeter, what other complex input conditions are there?
- Seems reasonably simple to me.
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