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- From: columbus@strident.think.com (Michael Weiss)
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- Subject: Re: More on Huygens' principle
- Date: 30 Dec 92 11:58:47
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- In-reply-to: dwr2560@zeus.tamu.edu's message of 25 Dec 1992 22:03 CST
-
- I wrote:
-
- If one assumes that Huygens' principle holds in 3 spatial dimensions, one
- can deduce that it should fail in 2. Hadamard called this argument the
- "method of descent". Briefly: consider a pulse disturbance at t=0 along
- the entire z-axis. It creates spreading waves that obviously will have no
- dependence on z, and hence satisfy the 2-dimensional wave equation. Now we
- apply Huygens' principle in 3 dimensions--- that is, we add up spherical
- waves spreading from each (0,0,z) (i.e., integrate over z). An observer
- positioned at (x,y,0) will of course "hear" the pulse at t = sqrt(x^2+y^2),
- due to the spherical wave spreading out from (0,0,0) but will also hear
- something at t = sqrt(x^2 + y^2 + z^2), thanks to the spherical wave from
- (0,0,z). QED (I was hoping there was a similarly intuitive argument for why
- Huygens' should work for 3 dimensions, but I guess not.)
-
- Dave Ring replies:
-
- I feel like something is missing. Wouldn't a similar line of reasoning
- show that HP in 5 dimensions implies no HP in 3?
-
- Good question! PDE's aren't really my thing, and I don't have an answer
- that satisfies me. I do have a few thoughts (see below), but
- perhaps someone who really understands this stuff will clear up the mystery.
-
- First: the general solution to the wave equation in one dimension with in
- initial conditions u(x,0) = v(x), u_t(x,0) = w(x) is
-
- /x+t
- u(x,t) = v(x+t)/2 + v(x-t)/2 + | w(s) ds
- /x-t
-
- This makes sense intuitively, once you realize that an "explosion" at x=t=0
- (i.e., v(x) identically zero and w(x) a delta function) will propagate like
- so:
- ------------
- <== | | ==>
- ------------- -----------------
-
- as Herbert Kranzer's post pointed out (just decompose the delta pulse into
- two "step function" waves, travelling in opposite directions). The v's
- give travelling waves in opposite directions that propagate "without
- echoes", and the integral represents the effect of the delta pulses.
-
- Here is a loose statement of Huygens' principle in three dimensions:
-
- An observer at time t will feel the effect of what was happening at
- time 0 integrated over a sphere of radius t, centered at the observer.
-
- More precisely:
-
- The solution to the 3-dimensional wave equation with initial conditions
- u(x,y,z,t) = v(x,y,z), u_t(x,y,z,t) = w(x,y,z) is
-
-
- / w(x,y,z) d / v(x,y,z)
- u(x,y,z,t) = (1/4pi) | -------- dS + (1/4pi) --- | -------- dS
- / t dt / t
- S S
-
-
- where S is the sphere of radius t, centered at (x,y,z) (and d stands for a
- partial derivative). The w term makes sense intuitively if we think of w
- as being composed of delta pulses, and assume that the effect dies off as
- 1/distance. This in turn makes sense if we assume that the energy per unit
- volume of the wave is proportional to u^2--- which is certainly true for
- the usual examples. The v term can be derived from the w term, making use
- of the fact that if u solves the wave equation, then so does u_t.
-
- Hadamard's "method of descent" shows how Huygens' principle fails if we
- descend from 3 dimensions to 2 (by assuming that w and hence u has no
- dependence on z). Dave Ring asked about descending from 5 dimensions to 3.
- To warm up for it, I thought about descending from 3 to 1. So assume w has
- no dependence on x or y.
-
- Consider a delta pulse at t=0 along the entire z=0 plane. To make things a
- little more intuitive, let's replace this with a pulse along the slab 0 < z
- < epsilon, with epsilon infinitesimal. (In other words, w is constant
- inside the slab, and zero outside the slab.) Place an observer at distance
- r from the xy-plane. So the observer feels the effects of what was
- happening at t=0 on a sphere of radius t around it.
-
- Now, for t > r, this sphere intersects the slab in a zone of height
- epsilon--- for t=r it's a spherical cap. But the area of such a zone is
- simply 2pi*t*epsilon--- a nice geometrical fact discovered, I believe, by
- Archimedes, and featured in one of Martin Gardner's columns. And so the
- area we're integrating over is proportional to t, and so the integral is
- constant. So we get the one-dimensional case back.
-
- For descending from 5 to 3 dimensions, you need the analog to the above
- formula for u. John Baez gave one formula in his post, and I looked up
- some others. I think I could carry through the calculations and verify
- that HP persists as you descend from 5 to 3 dimensions, but I have no
- intuitive feel for what's going on behind the symbol pushing. So I
- quit here (hopefully passing the ball to someone else).
-
-