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- From: jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez)
- Subject: Re: Marilyn Vos Savant's error?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec21.180704.4160@galois.mit.edu>
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- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 18:07:04 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec17.071340.3761@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> pratt@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU (Vaughan R. Pratt) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec17.041022.29031@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse) writes:
- >>In article <1992Dec15.055832.26324@galois.mit.edu>, jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez) writes:
- >>
- >>> 1) You draw 4 cards from a well-shuffled standard deck. You turn
- >>> one over and it's an ace. What's the probability that they are
- >>> all aces?
- >>
- >>There are 4! C(52,4) = 52!/48! = 6497400 sets of 4 cards you could
- >>draw, counting different orders as different. In one case in 13 you'll
- >>turn up an ace, for a total of 499800, while in only 24 cases are they
- >>all aces. The answer to this question is therefore 24/499800, which is
- >>1 in 20825, or, to 20 places from dc, .00004801920768307322.
- >
- >Ha! This is right and I was wrong. I just took this to be the problem
- >where you look at your whole hand and observe at least one ace, and so
- >figured there were 48*47*46*45 = 4669920 ways to get no aces, hence
- >6497400-4669920 = 1827480 ways to get at least one ace, giving the
- >estimate as 24/1827480 = .000013. But the problem clearly states you
- >just look at one card, for which the above calculation is correct.
- >Ditto for the remaining calculations. Oh well, at least we now have
- >the numbers for both versions of the problem (look at whole hand/look
- >at one card).
-
- Gee, now I feel less dumb, at least relatively speaking. I'm still
- confused, and after a few strong cups of coffee I will look at these
- calculations.
-
- Historical note: After posting my first version I realized I had meant to
- post the second version. I then drove back to my office and canceled
- the first version. (For both versions, see der Mouse's post.) I also
- replied apologetically to the rapidly growing piles of email from
- people who said that they got the same answer to parts 1 and 2 of my
- first version, telling them to check out the new version. So all these
- folks did the first version wrong? Quite possible. I'm just glad I
- work on simple things like quantum field theory, where I don't need to
- know how to count.
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