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- From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
- Subject: Re: Natural Gas? Combo
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- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:38:31 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec30.153705.1@acad3.alaska.edu> nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
- >In article <1992Dec30.233732.24874@oracle.us.oracle.com>, mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
- >> In article <ELM.92Dec16182200@terrorism.berkeley.edu> elm@cs.berkeley.edu writes:
- >>>In article <JMC.92Dec16171509@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy) writes:
- >>>=>In contrast to oil, natural gas is in good supply in the U.S.
-
- >>>As anyone who's eaten burritos or visited their local landfill or
- >>>swamp can tell you, methane is very easy to generate. All you need is
- >>>bacteria or chemical processes that break down more complex carbon
- >>>compounds into methane. You can generate methane from organic waste
- >>>-- CH4 is a large component of swamp gas and the smelly stuff from
- >>>landfills (though methane is odorless).
-
- >>>In other words, we needn't *ever* run out of it, as long as we can use
- >>>generated methane rather than mined methane.
-
- >> Not true. I did a paper on this back in highschool. In order to
- >> provide a significant percentage of US energy needs you would need
- >> whole farms devoted to nothing but producing biomass for methane
- >> productions. Straight solar is simpler, cheaper, and less polluting.
-
- >Why can't anybody work on ways to integrate the different energy
- >systems together. Why not have a farm, a methane plant in the area
- >with some solar energy near by.. Or maybe a way to have solar generator
- >be in the same area as farms for methane genration? Or maybe solar fields
- >on top of a methane dump? We don't need in many ways new technology,
- >we just need to use what we have more efficiently.. Does anyone recycle
- >oil?.. It is nice to have new tech, but we must be more efficient..
-
- Mike, this is a very pretty touchy feely sentiment, but it conflicts
- with cold, hard, scientific fact.
-
- You can't grow stuff on top of solar cells. You can't grow stuff
- under solar cells. If you decide to devote land area to producing
- energy solar uses less per megawatt. If you want multiple use, it is
- easier to put solar cells on top of buildings than to plant grass on
- top of buildings.
-
- Someone eralier posted asking why conservatives hate
- environmentalists. We don't hate them. We are, however, very
- exasperated at the way they seem to think the laws of the universe
- should hold themselves in abeyance in order to satisfy their whims
- about how it would be nice if things could be.
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