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- From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
- Subject: Re: Sheep in Organizations
- In-Reply-To: stvjas@meteor.wisc.edu's message of 25 Dec 92 07:47:39 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec25.074739.19527@meteor.wisc.edu> stvjas@meteor.wisc.edu (Stephen Jascourt) writes:
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- In article <JMC.92Dec24180245@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:
- >In article <58002@dime.cs.umass.edu> yodaiken@chelm.cs.umass.edu (victor yodaiken) writes:
- >
- > In article <JMC.92Dec23184831@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:
- > >is unfortunate that so much land in the West is in the hands of the
- > >Federal Government. The Federal Government should auction off 3/4
- > >of its land in the Western states including Alaska.
- >
- > To what end? Instead the government should start acting to preserve the
- > property of the general public, instead of allowing it to be degraded for
- > the profit of a few well connected welfare ranchers, miners,
- > loggers, and tourist concessionaires.
- >
- > Statist? Your logical deductions are not truth preserving.
- >
- >Well, Yodaiken wants to keep the land in Government hands, and he
- >regards people who might buy the land as "a few well connected welfare
- >ranchers, miners, loggers, and tourist concessionaires." That's
- >pretty statist. Also his posting is as close to a howl as we commonly
- >get on Usenet.
- >--
- >John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
-
- In a land as rich in natural resources and poor in infrastructure as Alaska,
- Yodaiken is probably correct in anticipating what the results of private land
- ownership will be -- massive environmental destruction to exploit natural
- resources. There certainly is a good deal of precedent for this. Perhaps
- McCarthy thinks such an outcome would be a desirable result.
-
- Note: I will be out of town until Jan 6; I might or might not get to read
- news while I am gone, so please e-mail followups as well as posting (so I can
- respond).
- Stephen Jascourt stvjas@meteor.wisc.edu
-
- I suspect that a fair amount of what I would call use of the land,
- Stephen Jascourt would probably call destructive exploitation.
-
- Consider the line from a Jefferson campaign song:
-
- Where once dark pathless forests spread,
- Bright fields and lofty cities shine.
-
- I consider that the Jeffersonian attitude is still appropriate for most
- of the territory of the U.S.
-
- Consider that the public lands of the U.S. indeed belong to the public,
- and the public should benefit from them. My position is that the public
- will get the greatest benefit if the ratio between publically owned
- land in the West to privately owned land reaches a ratio more like
- that of the East.
-
- The Government need not dispose of all that land at once. To do it
- over 50 years might be the correct policy.
- --
- John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
- *
- He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
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