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- Subject: Re: Sheep in Organizations
- Message-ID: <1992Dec24.161708.1@acad3.alaska.edu>
- Date: 25 Dec 92 00:17:08 GMT
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- In article <58003@dime.cs.umass.edu>, yodaiken@chelm.cs.umass.edu (victor yodaiken) writes:
- > In article <1992Dec23.163445.1@acad3.alaska.edu> nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
- >>Wrong bud, the lands of Alaska belong to the citizens of Alaska, which I just
- >>happen to be a member.. Only reason why you all the FED own any land here is
- >
- > Not legally. The land is held by the US government in trust for the
- > population of the entire United States. I see no advantage for us in
- > just making a gift of the land to you.
- >
- >>because you have the might to make right.. I do not want a hand out. I would
- >>not mind some land to make my place like my ancestors did, and the right to do
- >>with that land what I wish to do with i, with out having to worry about some
- >>Eco-Freak having a say in what I do with it.. Basically what is coming down to
- >
- > Unfortunately for you, the supply of land has dimished and the demand has
- > increased. I'd like some land too, but I don't believe that the other
- > citizens of the US have an obligation to give me acreage. Like I said,
- > if you are down and out, go to the welfare office.
- >
- >>the argument, is does the land we own in the US/States belong to the owner or
- >>are we borrowing it from our Land Lord the FED in a semi-feudal relationship.
- >>Are we nothing but vassals of the FED. It is getting harder to do anything with
- >>the land that we own, with more paper work necessary to do anything.. In part
- >>what I am trying to say in my original message is if you all in Mass (sp) want
- >>a park, then condemn your own land and make it so.. Turn Wall Street and the
- >
- > We have. The alaskan parks are our land. There's plenty of private land in
- > Alaska, why don't you park yourself on some of that?
- >
- >
- > --
- >
-
- Problem with what you are saying about land in trust and all that stuff, is
- that is either fedalism in the old Norman model or god I hate to say it
- Socialism.. Problme is we are supposed to be a democracy based on free person
- and the ability to make wealth. Why would I go to the Welfare office? Im not a
- brain dead pan handler from some parts of the US.. I work for my bread.
- You must have me mistaken with some who lives back east.. As far as I know most
- of the people I know work and find welfare a sad solution.
-
- Okay, if I go with what you are saying, next time you want to buy or
- sell property (land I mean) all US citizens have the right to stop it.
- Or at the minimum you need to get the Federal Governments okay to sell or buy
- it.. Hum, maybe that is what we have, state feudalism.
-
- When the founding fathers started our nation is was becuase of economic
- reasons, they were all land owners.. Do you think they would liek it that they
- did not own the land, but were only borrowing it.. Read up what feudalism is
- and you find what Im talking about..
-
-
- Michael Adams
- Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel
- nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
-