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- From: mjvande@pbhye.PacBell.COM (Mike Vandeman)
- Subject: Re: Alliance for a Paving Moratorium (Alert)
- Reply-To: mjvande@PacBell.COM (Mike Vandeman)
- Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 20:54:57 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Dec24.205457.7560@pbhye.PacBell.COM>
- References: <1992Dec23.005006.2291@pbhye.PacBell.COM> <1992Dec23.234735.21374@s1.gov>
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- - I confess that I sometimes feel annoyed by Mike Vandeman's
- -posts, because he sometimes sounds too much like some howling anti-car
- -extremist. And this is despite my agreement with him on several
- -essential points.
- -
- - I personally would prefer to try to make cars unnecessary for
- -a large proportion of urban traveling, and to set up alternatives that
- -are as clean, safe, fast, convenient, punctual, and jam-free as
- -possible.
- -
- - I personally think Mike Vandeman and others like him could do
- -a lot better job by pointing to successful public-transit systems
- -rather than by doing little other than saying how bad the car is.
- -Without presenting good alternatives in appropriately gory detail, the
- -car is going to seem the lesser of all the evils.
-
- You are forgetting one little fact: your method is FAR TOO SLOW for what
- is needed. According to the U.N., we need to reduce traffic by 50% to avoid
- the greenhouse effect. Your don't-offend-any-old-ladies method can't begin
- to do that.
-
- Besides, the alternatives are already here. People are just too lazy
- to use them. The Bay Area has excellent public transit accessible to
- 90% (by a Chronicle poll) of the population.
-
- - I must concede that a lot of public-transit systems have a
- -host of unpleasant features. It is rare to find a city bus that has a
- -pleasant ride, for example. Too many of them seem like some
- -car-company conspiracy to make the alternatives seem utterly
- -unpalatable.
-
- One other itsybitsy fact: people who drive don't want to PAY for good
- transit systems. So until they are FORCED out of their cars, there will
- be no $ for what you are suggesting (naively).
-