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- From: dean@vexcel.com (Dean Alaska)
- Subject: Re: Population growth and cultural destruction (Re: Nasty ...
- Message-ID: <1992Dec21.160640.23939@vexcel.com>
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- References: <1992Dec10.184439.8324@vexcel.com> <724817119snx@tillage.DIALix.oz.au>
- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:06:40 GMT
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- In article <724817119snx@tillage.DIALix.oz.au> gil@tillage.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick) writes:
- >
- >But I also have problems with Dean's notion of "culture" which serves
- >no more purpose in this thread than to fuel Steinn's replies.
- >
- >Dean, the processes taking place are of *social* destructiveness, not
- >cultural; that is, the stresses placed on a group make reasonable and
- >coherent *association* among them difficult, and the first thing that
- >happens is that people start drifting apart in their efforts to have
- >their increasingly primary needs met.
- >
- >I have argued with you before that cultures are sticky in the extreme
- >and almost impossible to destroy until the *whole* society is either
- >wiped out or completely indoctrinated over a period at least exceeding
- >five full generations. All you have to do is overlook one old granny
- >who has passed her cultural forms on to her daughter, who passes them
- >on to her daughter in turn, in order for the whole society to actively
- >reconstitute their entire culture within only *one* generation of their
- >renewed association.
- >
- >To destroy a culture, that is, either every single individual must be
- >killed, or every single individual must be imprisonned separately and
- >subjected to *total* indoctrination in a sustained program carried out
- >over about 150 years. No dominant society has ever achieved that; quite
- >to the contrary such efforts are known to create such a global outcry
- >of revulsion that the actual effect is to strengthen and invigorate the
- >culture instead. The Jewish peoples represent the classic example.
- >
- >Even the burning of 9 million witches over three hundred years during
- >the Dark Ages failed to wipe out witchcraft.
-
- I would agree with this. The cultures aren't destroyed, though the
- ability of most of the people to live by it is prevented for the
- time being. I commented about the breakup of the community
- structures in Ladakh, which, according to the author, are more
- important that the family in Ladahi culture.
-
- >
- >--
- >Gil Hardwick Internet: gil@tillage.DIALix.oz.au
- >Independent Consulting Ethnologist Fidonet: 3:690/660.6
- >PERTH, Western Australia Voice: (+61 9) 399 2401
- > * * Sustainable Community Development & Environmental Education * *
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