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- From: stoffel@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Stoffel)
- Newsgroups: sci.energy
- Subject: Re: Mileage vs. Safety concerns in autos
- Message-ID: <29106@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
- Date: 30 Dec 92 14:19:59 GMT
- References: <1992Dec29.170056.20192@pixel.kodak.com> <1992Dec30.061609.29827@mr.med.ge.com>
- Reply-To: stoffel@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Stoffel)
- Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CARDEROCKDIV, NSWC
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- In sci.energy, hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987 ~BHOSVWZ#097) writes:
- >Gary Weimer 726-3370 (weimer@spud.NoSubdomain.NoDomain) wrote:
-
- (in part)
-
- >: My Chevy Sprint easily gets 50 MPG in the winter and can get 60 MPG in
- >: the summer. This is a 4 door car with enough room for a week-long trip
-
- >: How much more "practical" of a car do you require?
-
- >Sure, it gets good mileage. However, what about safety? I don't have
- >the HLDI figures in front of me at the moment, but as I recall you are
- >about 5 times as likely to get seriously injured in an accident than
- >you would be if you were in the safest cars (Mercedes, Saab, and Audi
- ><I think> in that order).
-
- I dug out the HLDI figures for '89 (model years 86-88). A little dated,
- but I doubt the relative differences between the models still in production
- have changed significantly. Perhaps someone else has newer data.
-
- What Dave says is basically true (except apparently for the Audi, which
- didn't have particularly impressive figures during that period). A couple
- of comments though;
-
- a. Not all Mercedes models did equally well. The safest was also
- the largest, the SDL/SEL series. In contrast, the smaller 190D/E models
- were really fairly average (and behind a lot of other cars, including
- many US models).
-
- b. Both the big Mercedes and SAAB 9000 (which also had very impressive
- safety figures) were listed in the "Sports & Specialty" category, whereas
- the Mr. Weimer's vehicle is in a seperate "Four-Door" category. Cars
- in the S&S category tend to be more expensive and MUCH more expensive
- to repair. The big Mercedes (rating 160) and SAAB 9000 (rating 135)
- were both "Substantially Worse than Average" in terms of collision repair
- costs. In summary, it may not be entirely accurate or fair to compare
- cars in the Sports & Specialty category to those in the 4-Door category,
- at least from an economics standpoint.
-
- c. Looking only at vehicles in the 4-Door category produces some
- intersting (IMO) comparisons. Although their overall injury figures
- are not as low as the big Mercedes (rating 41) and SAAB 9000 (rating
- 42), the safest 4-Door models were all full size N. American built sedans
- (ratings ranging from 63-69).
- . Note that the HLDI considers any rating under 70 to be
- "Substantially Better than Average". These vehicles also all had better
- than average collision repair cost ratings.
- The worst 4-door vehicles, from overall injury experience, were
- all relatively small vehicles manufactured in Japan and Korea, including
- the Chevy Sprint. The Sprint had a rating of 164, which is 4 times the
- big Mercedes, or about 2.5 times a Chevy Caprice for example.
-
- >And I'm getting 30 mpg wite my Saab 900 (turbocharged). Is the extra
- >mileage worth risking your life? How much extra gasoline is your life
- >worth?
-
- One additional comment, the SAAB 900 (4-door) had better than average
- overall injury results too, but at a rating of 77, trailed its 9000
- cousin as well as the full-size N. American sedans.
- It also had a fairly horrible cost
- to repair rating of 143. It still had an overall injury rating more
- than 2 times better than the Sprint.
-
- Basically I agree with Mr. Hinz's position that a few more mpg's is
- not worth the additional risks associated with driving an econobox.
- I'd also suggest that equal or better safety can often be found in
- less expensive vehicles built in other locations besides Germany and
- Sweden.
-
- >What bothers me about the CAFE standards rising is that it will encourage
- >the building of even more flimsy cars than we already have. Yeah, it's
- >a good idea to conserve petrol, I don't think that's the way to go about it.
-
- I share this concern. I'm afraid that people who feel that this is the
- way to go will be in the "driver's seat" for at least the next 4 years
- too. I'll consider driving an econobox when everybody's driving one.
- Until then, I want as many laws of physics on my side as possible.
-
- Cheers,
- Bill
- stoffel@oasys.dt.navy.mil
-