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- From: lordSnooty@cup.portal.com (Andrew - Palfreyman)
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- Subject: Re: Flywheel batteries as EV power source
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- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 18:20:47 PST
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- Richard Stead hypothesises that the specific energy (J/Kg) of
- a practical flywheel will not be able to exceed the specific
- energy of gasoline, when both the shielding mass and realistic
- materials' stress characteristics are taken into account.
- This is a key parameter in this whole discussion, independent
- of the safety debate which has been raging here; i.e. if this
- assertion is true, then flywheels look really unattractive in
- any case, modulo political and environmental arguments of course.
- Let's look at that.
-
- Let the flywheel be of mass mf, density df, radius r, thickness f
- and rotational speed (rad/sec) of w.
- Its energy E = 0.5*mf*(r*w)^2 and mf = pi*df*f*r^2.
-
- Model the shield as a sphere of radius r (more or less), density ds,
- mass ms and thickness s, where ms = (4*pi/3)*ds*[ (r+s)^3 - r^3 ].
-
- We need a relationship between s and E.
- Generally we could write s = k*E^n, but let's intuit (probably gravely
- wrong!) that, like viscous drag (m*d2x/dt2 = -a*dx/dt), s will need to
- vary as k*sqrt(E), where k is determined by the fragments' maximum
- expected mass (mx), the viscosity (a) of the shield material, and the
- proportion (x) of the total energy (E) carried by a worst-case fragment.
- Classically k= sqrt(2*mx*x)/a. So assume that s = k*sqrt(E).
-
- The specific energy of the system comprising flywheel plus shielding is
- A = E / (mf + ms). Since s is a function of E, there will be an optimal
- A, which we find by partially differentiating A wrt E.
- I find this to be at the critical flywheel mass
-
- mfc = (2*pi*ds*k/3)*(k^2*E*sqrt(E) - 3*r^2/sqrt(E))
-
- Hopefully, for the large E-values we're playing with, this is a positive
- number. Assuming further that it's realisable, the substitution into A
- gives
- Amax = 1/( 4*pi*ds*k *(k^2*sqrt(E) + 2*k*r + 2*r^2/sqrt(E) - r^2/(E*sqrt(E)) )
-
- Note that Amax depends inversely on k, which makes sense when you realise
- that a small k-value translates into a thinner shield for a given E.
- However, note also that Amax depends inversely on ds, which is naively
- obvious, but disregards the relationship between k and ds for real
- materials; one would expect ds to be inversely related to k. This implies
- that there is a further optimisation on the shield material to be made.
-
- If you've tagged along so far, I expect that you're expecting a conclusion.
- Well, there ain't one :-). Although the specific energy for gasoline
- burned in an IC engine is known, and one could estimate ds = 10^4 Kg/m^3,
- I still don't know k, the shielding parameter with units metres/sqrt(Joule).
- So let me know what you come up with yourselves!
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