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- From: stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead)
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- Subject: Re: Flywheel batteries as EV power source
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- Date: 29 Dec 92 01:44:29 GMT
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- In article <1hcmi5INN7fd@armory.centerline.com>, jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
- > I thought it was assumed that the flywheel operated in vacuum? The
- > "shock wave" will be expanding particles thrown off from the wheel
- > itself, and the speed will depend on how fast the particle was moving
- > when the wheel disintegrated. I suspect that'll be a whole hell of a
- > lot faster than the speed of sound.
-
- Hyper velocity rotor failure will likely include a shockwave in the rotor
- itself as a result of the hypervelocity fracture of the material.
-
- > This discussion is great, but as I mentioned before it's also moot
- > unless someone's figured out a way to eliminate gyroscopic effects
- > from the flywheel. These would be considerable, you know.
-
- The torque would be less than 250,000 N-m. (The 250000 comes from a
- flywheel 1 meter in radius storing 92000 kCal and spinning 2775 radians/s.
- Since angular momentum is energy divided by angular velocity, a more
- reaonably sized flywheel (which would necessarily spin faster) would
- store the same energy, but result in less torque. The turn was 90
- degrees in 1 second). This is a lot, but probably could be managed for
- awhile. We can assume that 2 flywheels are mounted with opposing spin,
- so net torque is zero, but the frame would be strongly and repeatedly
- flexed with 10,000 to 100,000 N-m of torque. The mounts or frame
- would eventually distort or fail. I don't have any figures for this
- sort of failure, so I can't compute when a typical mount might fail.
- I would guess it would be a long time, on the order of years, by just
- gross comparison to normal engine torque and the failure of engine
- mounts. I assume the flywheel mounts would be designed so as to minimze
- torque on the frame itself.
-
-
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- Richard Stead
- Center for Seismic Studies
- Arlington, VA
- stead@seismo.css.gov
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