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- From: rat@erg.sri.com (Ray Trent)
- Newsgroups: sci.electronics,sci.energy,rec.autos
- Subject: Re: Flywheel batteries as EV power source
- Message-ID: <1992Dec23.015933.24919@erg.sri.com>
- Date: 23 Dec 92 01:59:33 GMT
- References: <etc.> <1992Dec22.204130.18133@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com>
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- In the referenced article, () writes:
- >be contained by a container. The object is not to stop the flywheel failure
- >at any given point, but to slow it down and cause it to loose energy.
- >
- >What I would like to see is a good treatment of the energy needed to turn a
- >flywheel into cotton candy. This gives everyone a better idea of how
- >much energy is left yet to be contain by the next carbon carbon shell.
-
- If a flywheel powered vehicle actually contained the same amount of
- energy as an equivilent gasoline powered car, you're going to die
- flaming death if they fail, but...
-
- Is anyone here missing the point that flywheel powered cars need far
- less total energy to go a certain distance (stop and go) than a
- gasoline powered car? Car designers aren't completely stupid, you
- know, they do try to recover kinetic energy during braking in a
- vehicle that is capable of doing so (gasoline engines aren't). Also,
- flywheel vehicles aren't really intended to provide as high a range as
- gasoline powered vehicles, nor are they intended to be used for
- towing. We're talking commuter cars here.
-
- Additionally, gasoline engines are basically heat pumps. A large
- percentage of the energy escapes in the form of heat out the exhaust
- pipe in normal operation. This much energy, at least, would not
- present in a flywheel.
-
- Electric motors are much more efficient than gasoline engines, there's
- absolutely no question about that...the inefficient part about using
- electric motors in cars is getting the electricity into the car in
- usable form (charging losses, discharging losses, efficiency of power
- plants, efficiency of power lines, etc).
-
- The actual amount of non-lossy energy it theoretically takes to get
- from point A to point B is much smaller than you might think in terms
- of heat.
-
- Actually, though, the thing I'm curious about is: how do they manage
- to find strong enough materials to make the mounts that connect the
- counter-rotating flywheels? There's one hell of a lot of precessional
- energy released in a change of orientation of even minor proportions,
- and while they'd naturally balance *total* angular momentum (not being
- total braindead idiots), I can't help but wonder...
-
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