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- From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)
- Newsgroups: sci.econ
- Subject: Re: "Death of America"
- Message-ID: <1992Dec27.185652.18613@athena.mit.edu>
- Date: 27 Dec 92 18:56:52 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec21.171659.18729@ttinews.tti.com> kevin@drogges.tti.com (Kevin Carothers) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec14.224955.7981@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> spm2d@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Steven Miale) writes:
- >%
- >%Today I mourn the economic death of America.
- >%
- >%We're on a collision course with the national debt. In a few years, on the
- >%current course, 100% of tax payments would be required to pay the interest
- >%on the debt alone. When investors in US government bonds finally start
- >%to panick (read: come to their senses about our political reality), we'll
- >%finally face reality. There really is no room to maneauver: whatever
- >%parameter we change in order to get out of this, there will be some kind of
- >%disaster. Unlike the 1950's, the world market has fundamentally changed and
- >%we can no longer grow our economy out of the debt.
- >%
- >
- > Says who. You?
-
- says a lot of people. read "Bankruptcy 1995" for starters.
-
- > You think the national debt is bad? Look at the CONSUMER debt! It was
- > something like 12 trillion in 1990.
-
- there are some who say that this is the bigger problem. it doesn't change
- anything though. it is like arguing about which disease will kill the patient
- first.
-
- > Sure, the gov't is following a liberal spending policy. But I can guarantee
- > that they won't arrive at the gates of hell alone :-).
-
- so what?
-
- > Increasing tax receipts and decreasing spending was Perot's big picture.
- > Clinton tends to favor increasing receipts from a growing economy.
-
- it is the same voodoo Reagan promised us.
-
- > The National debt is simply the difference between receipts and expenditures,
- > and NOTHING else. ANY method can be used to reduce (or eventually elimiinate)
- > it.
- >
- > Unless you show evidence that economic growth can't work to reduce the debt,
- > I can't give much creedence in what you say.
-
- Reagan said he would do it that way. it didn't work at all. the "growth"
- that Clinton is depending on is totally unrealistic and hasn't happened in
- this country in 20 years (sustainably).
-
- it's very simple. we have a major debt problem. i and others are calling
- upon the government to undertake drastic reductions in spending to address
- it. you and others are suggesting that we need not do this because we will
- "grow" our way out of it. we are suggesting simple arithmetic. you are
- suggesting speculation and wishful thinking. why don't *you* provide
- some evidence for your position?
-
- --
- charles
-