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- From: tsf+@cs.cmu.edu (Timothy Freeman)
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- Subject: Cryonics FAQ 6: Suspension Arrangements
- Summary: This posting contains a list of Frequently Asked Questions
- and their answers about cryonics, the practice of carefully preserving
- very recently clinically and legally dead people in hopes that they can be
- revived in the future. It should be read
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- Section 6: Suspension Arrangements
-
- (You can fetch cryomsg "n" by sending mail to kqb@whscad1.att.com or
- to kevin.q.brown@att.com with the subject line "CRYOMSG n". The index
- to this FAQ list is cryomsg "0018.1".)
-
- 6-1. How many people are frozen right now?
-
- The July 1992 issue of Cryonics magazine, published by the Alcor
- Life Extension Foundation, includes a status report of all the
- approximately 60 people who have been cryonically suspended.
- Over 40 of these are still in suspension today; the remainder have
- been thawed and buried because their cryonics organization failed
- financially. According to Mike Perry's July 1992 Cryonics magazine
- summary of all known cryonic suspension patients, nobody suspended
- since 1978 has been thawed out, with one possible exception of a
- private suspension done in 1982 for which we have no further
- information.
-
- 6-2. How is suspension paid for?
-
- The person who makes the cryonics arrangements pays for suspension,
- usually with life insurance. Some life insurance companies refuse
- to accept a cryonics organization as the beneficiary. Check with
- your insurance agent, or check with your cryonics organization for a
- list of cooperative companies.
-
- 6-3. How will reanimation be paid for?
-
- The cryonics organization, relatives, or some charity will pay for
- reanimation if it happens. There is also the Reanimation Foundation,
- which is an attempt to allow people to fund their own reanimation.
-
- 6-4. What suspension organizations are available?
-
- For a complete list of cryonics suspension organizations and other
- cryonics-related organizations and publications, fetch cryomsg 0004.
-
- The largest cryonic suspension organizations are:
-
- Alcor is not only a membership and caretaking organization but also does
- the cryonic suspensions, using Alcor employees, contract surgeons, and
- volunteers plus equipment and supplies provided by Cryovita.
- Alcor Life Extension Foundation
- 12327 Doherty St.
- Riverside, CA 92503
- (714) 736-1703 & (800) 367-2228
- FAX (714) 736-6917
- Email: alcor@cup.portal.com
- Cryonics magazine, monthly, $25./yr. USA,
- $35./yr. Canada & Mexico, $40./yr. overseas
- ($10./yr. USA gift subscription for new subscriber)
-
- The American Cryonics Society is the membership organization and the
- suspensions and caretaking are done by Trans Time.
- American Cryonics Society (ACS)
- P.O. Box 761
- Cupertino, CA 95015
- (408) 734-4111
- FAX (408) 973-1046, 24 hr FAX (408) 255-5433
- Supporting membership, including American Cryonics and American
- Cryonics News $35./yr. USA, $40. Canada & Mexico, $71. overseas
- (Note: The Immortalist (below) includes American Cryonics News.)
-
- The Cryonics Institute does its own suspension and caretaking of patients.
- Cryonics Institute (CI)
- 24443 Roanoke
- Oak Park, MI 48237
- (313) 547-2316 & (313) 548-9549
- The Immortalist Society, which has the same address and phone number,
- publishes The Immortalist, monthly, $25./yr. USA, $30./yr. Canada
- and Mexico, $40./yr. overseas. Airmail $52. Europe, $62. Asia or
- Australia. A gift subscription ($15./yr. USA, $25. outside USA)
- includes a free book (The Prospect of Immortality or Man Into
- Superman).
-
- The International Cryonics Foundation has arrangements with Trans Time to
- do the cryonics suspensions and caretaking of patients.
- International Cryonics Foundation
- 1430 N. El Dorado
- Stockton, CA 95202
- (209) 463-0429
- (800) 524-4456
-
- Trans Time does suspensions and caretaking for both ACS and ICF and also
- has taken on suspension customers directly who didn't go through either
- non-profit organization.
- Trans Time, Inc.
- 10208 Pearmain St.
- Oakland, CA 94603
- 510-639-1955
- Email: quaife@garnet.berkeley.edu
-
- 6-5. How can I get financial statements for the various organizations to
- evaluate their stability?
-
- At this point the best option is to send them paper mail or call
- them and ask. I would like to eventually get current financial
- statements from all of the on-line.
-
- 6-6. How hard will these people work to freeze me?
-
- The Dora Kent case described above is an example. See question 4-3.
-
- 6-7. What obligations do the suspension organizations have to the people
- they have suspended? Will they pay for revival and rehabilitation?
-
- Alcor's Consent for Cryonic Suspension states "there are no
- guarantees that any attempt will ever be made to return me to
- healthy life". The Cryonic Suspension Agreement states "Alcor shall
- use such methods as its good faith judgement determined will be most
- likely to result in preservation and revival of the patient."
-
- Reference: Alcor's book "Signing Up Made Simple", 1987.
-
- 6-8. How long has this been going on?
-
- Robert Ettinger proposed the idea in The Prospect of Immortality
- which was published in 1964. According to the July 1992 issue of
- Cryonics magazine, the first person suspended was Dr. James
- Bedford. He was frozen on 12 Jan. 1967 at the age of 73 by the
- Cryonics Society of California and is now with Alcor.
-
- Bedford has never thawed during that time. When he was moved to
- another dewar in 1991 (?) the original ice cubes were still intact
- and several other signs indicated that he had never thawed out.
-
- 6-9. How much of the resources of the cryonics organizations are reserved
- for reviving patients?
-
- Alcor's approach to this is discussed in detail in CRFT page
- A-36. They compute the costs of liquid nitrogen, dewar maintenance,
- rent, etc., per year. The amount of the trust fund for each patient
- is twice the amount necessary to pay for this indefinitely assuming
- a 2% return on investment after inflation. The doubling
- mentioned in the previous sentence is to provide a margin for error
- and funds for revival.
-
- Assuming that the costs of storage do not change, and a 2%
- return on investment, and the most efficient storage for a
- neurosuspension patient, the value of the fund in 1991 dollars y
- years after suspension is
-
- $3300 + ($3300 * (1.02 ^ y))
-
- The corresponding figures for the least efficient storage for a
- whole-body patient are
-
- $84357 + ($84357 * (1.02 ^ y))
-
- Alcor's minimum fee for suspension and storage does not depend on how
- they are going to do the storage, so it isn't clear to me how the
- numbers derived in CRFT page A-36 should compare to Alcor's suspension
- minimums.
-
- 6-10.*What should I do if I want to be frozen but my relatives hate the idea?
-
- >>> Question sent to Alcor on Fri Jul 24 17:34:44 1992 <<<
-
- 6-11. How can I pay for my own revival and rehabilitation, and keep some of
- my financial assets after revival?
-
- The Reanimation Foundation is set up to enable you to "take it with you"
- and provide financial support for your reanimation, reeducation, and
- reentry. It is based in Liechtenstein, which does not have a Rule Against
- Perpetuities, and thus allows financial assets to be owned by a person
- long after the person is declared legally dead.
- Reanimation Foundation
- c/o Saul Kent
- 16280 Whispering Spur
- Riverside, CA 92504
- (800) 841-LIFE
-
- 6-12. Is Walt Disney frozen?
-
- No. There was a time when all of the cryonics organizations would
- tell you this. Since then Alcor (possibly among others) has realized
- that if they admit when an individual is not frozen, then it is
- possible to infer by elimination who is frozen, which they have in
- many cases agreed to keep secret. Thus Alcor will no longer say
- anything informative about whether Disney was frozen. Nevertheless,
- Disney is not frozen.
-