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- From: frank@s7.msi.umn.edu (Loren Frank)
- Subject: Re: qualia
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- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:34:49 GMT
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- >>Even apart from the typo, this is just silly. Presumably we're all
- >>functionalists about car engines (to be a car engine is to be something
- >>that plays the appropriate sort of causal role in a car), but you can
- >>find out an awful lot about engines by looking under the hood.
- >>
- >It may, but it needn't, is the point. I may have overstated the case,
- >but I was trying to distinguish type-identity theory from the
- >token-identity theory for someone who apparently hadn't heard the
- >news.
-
- >--
- >Christopher D. Green christo@psych.toronto.edu
- >Psychology Department cgreen@lake.scar.utoronto.ca
- >University of Toronto
- >Toronto, Ontario M5S 1A1
-
- This is off on a slight tangent, but isn't it true that you find out a lot
- about a car engine by looking under the hood only if you have some idea of
- what the silly thing (the engine) is supposed to do in the first place. I would
- imagine that if one presented a car at an art show to a group of people who
- had never seen a car nor anything similar, a good hard look on their part
- would produce substantially different perceptions than would arise with
- someone who owned a car.
- It seems to me that filtering out the data from the noise requires that
- one know what to look for and have a number of presuppositions about what is
- going to turn up. In the case of the brian / mind question, if we are looking
- at neural activation vectors to determine the mental state of an individual,
- we are going to have to know what sort of phenomena to pay attention to, look
- for, as otherwise we will be be faced with ten or perhaps a hundred billion
- bits of information at any given time, most of which probably have little or
- nothing to do with whatever it is we are interested in. As such, to study a
- a pattern of activation, we have to start with some sort of physical or
- behavioral evidense and then study the neural correlates of those pattens.
- Upon a quick rereading, I realize that this is more of a tangent than
- I had originally intended. Ah well. A quick swipe at eliminative materialism
- can be a good thing too....
-
-
- Loren Frank
- frankl@carleton.edu
-