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- From: "michael daly" <michael.daly@canrem.com>
- Subject: binocular question
- Message-ID: <1992Dec30.4258.20630@dosgate>
- Reply-To: "michael daly" <michael.daly@canrem.com>
- Organization: Canada Remote Systems
- Distribution: sci
- Date: 30 Dec 92 22:53:52 EST
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- DB>I believe we are having a difficulty in communicating.
-
- Yeah, it seems that way. :-) I think you're considering several things
- at once and I tend to look at only one "variable" at a time (it's the
- engineer in me). The various parameters affecting the selection of
- binoculars (exit pupil size, magnification, light grasp, "ease of use"
- etc.) can be considered separately, IMHO.
-
- DB>What I was trying to point out that if your eyes do indeed have 7mm
- DB>dark light pupils, resulting in pupil surface area of 38.48 sq mm of
- DB>surface area, and you illuminated them with a 3.125mm image, or 7.67
- DB>sq mm, then you are using just 19.9% of your eye's pupil surface
- DB>area. Of course none of the incoming image is being wasted. Your
- DB>eyes would be capable of processing far more light than you are
- DB>providing to them.
-
- Not really. The amount of pupil used is not the issue. Your retina is
- what counts and it gets all the light passed through the pupil,
- regardless of how much of the pupil is illuminated.
-
- If, in considering the advantages and disadvantages of various kinds of
- binoculars, you vary only the exit pupil size (and therefore
- magnification) keeping the objective size the same, as long as the exit
- pupil is smaller than the eye's pupil, the amount of pupil illuminated
- is irrelevant; all the light presented to the eye will be seen. I don't
- think that it's a good idea to cloud up binocular buying with a side
- issue like how much of the pupil is being used; that's why I responded
- to your post.
-
- DB>Why then would a 16x80 provide a much brighter image than a 16x50?
- DB>And given that both were designed to cover a 3.5 degree field.
-
- When responding to your previous post, I was thinking only in terms of
- the exit pupil size being varied and the objective lens being held
- constant. Under these circumstances, the light reaching your eye is
- independent of the amount of the eye pupil illuminated and is only
- dependent on the objective lens size. All other things being equal, the
- higher magnification yeilds a "smaller chunk of sky" and therefore a
- dimmer image. Sorry for the confusion.
-
- Increasing the objective lens size increases the light available. In
- this case, going from 50 to 80 millimeters results in an increase of
- (8/5)**2 = 2.56 times the light and the image brightness.
-
- DB>Or if a 10x50 was compared to a 16x50 Wide Angle with both covering a
- DB>5 degree field, which would be perceived as brighter?
-
- They would both have the same amount of light (both 50 mm objectives)
- but different apparent fields of view (Five degrees is the true field of
- view. The 10 power would have an apparent field of about 50 degrees and
- the 16 power, about 80 degrees.) If you observe a point object, they'll
- appear equally bright. An extended object will appear dimmer in the 16
- power binocs (possible exception - a trained observer used to comparing
- the brightness of extended objects under varying magnifications).
-
- DB>And would a 25x80 provide approximately the same image brightness as
- DB>a 16x50?
-
- Again, the brighness is primarily due to objective lens size. For point
- sources, the 80 mm pair will be brighter. For extended objects, since
- the 80 mm binocs provide 156% more light with only 56% greater
- magnification, the 80 mm will seem brighter.
-
- DB>one has a dilemma. It's nice to have those 50mm objectives for light
- DB>gathering, yet it is difficult to hold binoculars above 7X steady
- DB>(for many people).
-
- Ain't reality a drag? I've resigned myself to using higher
- magnification binocs and a tripod.
-
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