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- From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson)
- Newsgroups: sci.astro
- Subject: Re: The Hole Story
- Date: 23 Dec 92 09:30:54
- Organization: Lick Observatory/UCO
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- References: <1992Dec20.033409.27382@stortek.com> <1992Dec23.051529.16459@sfu.ca>
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- In-reply-to: Leigh Palmer's message of Wed, 23 Dec 1992 05:15:29 GMT
-
- In article <1992Dec23.051529.16459@sfu.ca> Leigh Palmer <palmer@sfu.ca> writes:
-
- In article <STEINLY.92Dec22104345@topaz.ucsc.edu> Steinn Sigurdsson,
- steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu writes:
- >In article <1992Dec22.011638.21749@sfu.ca> Leigh Palmer <palmer@sfu.ca>
- writes:
-
- > In article <STEINLY.92Dec20193619@topaz.ucsc.edu> Steinn Sigurdsson,
- > steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu writes:
-
- > >I suppose I should read the paper, but there are exact solution of
- > >plane gravitational waves for GR. They're literal solution of the
- > >Einstein equation.
-
- > That's interesting. Are gravitational plane waves susceptible to
- > (linear) Fourier decomposition? Do they comprise a spanning set for
- > all gravitational wave solutions? If they are not superposable, how
- > would one generate a gravitational plane wave?
-
- >Gravitational waves are not in general superposable because they
- >couple to each other - they carry stress-energy. All the exact
- >solutions I know of are ones with special symmetry in vacua, although
- >I only have a passing familiarity with the subject.
-
- That being the case, one cannot infer from the existence of plane wave
- solutions that waves generated by, for example, a binary compact sytem,
- will exist which are solutions of GR. In electrodynamics the existence of
-
- True. The gravitational radiation posited for the binary pulsars is
- derived by taking linearised perturbations of the metric and looking
- for solutions propagating to infinity - the normal formalism due
- to Hartle chooses a particularly nice gauge and considers asymptotic
- states in the far (weak) field where mode coupling is (hopefully)
- negligible. As Loren notes, you do have to allow for the radiation reaction.
-
- plane wave solutions implied the existence of many other sorts of
- solutions by Fourier's Theorem, and it seems that a leap has been made of
- a similar sort which is not justified in the case of GR.
-
- Thus we return to the question of whether a binary compact system can
- radiate. It is not immediately obvious to me that it should radiate plane
- waves (indeed that possibility is ruled out because plane waves are
- infinite in extent). Does a radiative solution to GR exist which has a
- symmetry more appropriate to the case of the binary pulsar?
-
- I think there are exact solutions with cylindrical symmetry (in
- vacuum), although I wouldn't swear to it.
- BTW the usual solution you see for binary pulsars is an orbit averaged
- solution (ie it is assumed dJ/dt << J/P_orb ) The shape of the wave
- form as this approximation breaks down during final stages of
- spiral-in are the subject of ongoing research.
-
- I'd also like to ask again my previous question: how would one generate a
- gravitational plane wave? I have trouble wraping (or warping) my
-
- Take a quadrupole and shake it ;-)
- Be sure to check out the gravitational wave generator in the
- Theoretical AstroPhysics Interaction Room at Caltech (with
- the appropriate gauge setting and tunable frequency) should
- you happen to be in the vicinity sometime in the next 6-8 months...
-
- * Steinn Sigurdsson Lick Observatory *
- * steinly@lick.ucsc.edu "standard disclaimer" *
- * The laws of gravity are very,very strict *
- * And you're just bending them for your own benefit - B.B. 1988*
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