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- From: clarke@acme.ucf.edu (Thomas Clarke)
- Subject: Re: The Hole Story
- Message-ID: <1992Dec21.140712.28250@cs.ucf.edu>
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- Organization: University of Central Florida
- References: <1992Dec18.192414.25686@sfu.ca>
- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:07:12 GMT
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- In sci.astro article <1992Dec18.192414.25686@sfu.ca> you wrote:
- > In article <1992Dec18.162839.1529@cs.ucf.edu> clarke@acme.ucf.edu (Thomas
- > Clarke) writes:
- > >> > ...When
- > >> >something changes, only the retarded solutions propgagate and
- > >> >thus radiation appears to comes from only the retarded position.
- > >> >Why only retarded solutions? - ask the philosophers :-)
- > >>
- > >> For heaven's sake, take off your blinders!
- > >>
- > >This was an allusion to a poorly remembered book (Davies?)
- > >that discussed incoming and outgoing (advanced and retarded)
- > >electromagnetic waves from an accelerated charge in terms of
- > >time's arrow, our apparent perception of an asymetry in time.
- >
- > I don't think I misunderstood you, Thomas, but of course it's
- > possible. I understand that you would rather consider a static
- > field to be something replaceable by a Fourier decomposition in
- > harmonic functions of time. ...
-
- Thanks for the well reasoned reply, I see what your concerns are
- now. Further discussion of metaphysics, while interesting, would
- depart from the astronomical thread too far, I fear.
-
- At the risk of muddling the issue concerning Tom Van Flandern's
- paradox I would like to add my two cents to Chris Flatters'
- already amply clear discussion.
-
- I would not "rather consider" the Fourier decomposition of the
- gravitational field, but I think the possibility of such a
- cecomposition provides the resolution of TVF's "paradox".
-
- If I may paraphrase TVF's argument:
- -Post-newtonian or GR theory predict A.
- -Gravitational wave theory predicts B.
- -Observation shows A to be true.
- -Therefore, since GR contains gravitational wave
- theory which predicts B, something is wrong.
-
- TVF. of course, would like that something to be wrong with
- GR, opening the door to alternate theories.
-
- Chris Flatters and others (me in my ham-handed way)
- point out that when the maths are done properly there
- is no contradiction between B and A. [The Fourier sum
- of propagating solutions each satisfying B, does not
- have to satisfy A. The Cauchy data satisfying A, may
- be analyzed in terms of propagating solutions obeying B.
- There are probably many other ways to looke at the
- situation].
-
- Searching for an analogy, I think the causality of signals
- may work. All physical signals are causal. {S(T) depends
- only on events after t=T]. It may be convenient to
- consider S as a sum of single frequency signals which
- depend on all time (or no time?). There is no contradiction
- in this signal decomposition either.
- --
- Thomas Clarke
- Institute for Simulation and Training, University of Central FL
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- (407)658-5030, FAX: (407)658-5059, clarke@acme.ucf.edu
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